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Cherokee_Mountaincat
Sep 18, 2010, 5:17 PM
Now isnt this one of the stupidest things you've ever seen???


Montana GOP policy: Make homosexuality illegal
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EmailPrint..By MATT VOLZ, Associated Press Writer Matt Volz, Associated Press Writer – Sat Sep 18, 12:47 pm ET
HELENA, Mont. – At a time when gays have been gaining victories across the country, the Republican Party in Montana still wants to make homosexuality illegal.

The party adopted an official platform in June that keeps a long-held position in support of making homosexual acts illegal, a policy adopted after the Montana Supreme Court struck down such laws in 1997.

The fact that it's still the official party policy more than 12 years later, despite a tidal shift in public attitudes since then and the party's own pledge of support for individual freedoms, has exasperated some GOP members.

"I looked at that and said, 'You've got to be kidding me,'" state Sen. John Brueggeman, R-Polson, said last week. "Should it get taken out? Absolutely. Does anybody think we should be arresting homosexual people? If you take that stand, you really probably shouldn't be in the Republican Party."

Gay rights have been rapidly advancing nationwide since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Texas' sodomy law in 2003's Lawrence v. Texas decision. Gay marriage is now allowed in five states and Washington, D.C., a federal court recently ruled the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy unconstitutional, and even a conservative tea party group in Montana ousted its president over an anti-gay exchange in Facebook.

But going against the grain is the Montana GOP statement, which falls under the "Crime" section of the GOP platform. It states: "We support the clear will of the people of Montana expressed by legislation to keep homosexual acts illegal."

Montana GOP executive director Bowen Greenwood said that has been the position of the party since the state Supreme Court struck down state laws criminalizing homosexuality in 1997 in the case of Gryczan v. Montana.

Nobody has ever taken the initiative to change it and so it's remained in the party platform, Greenwood said. The matter has never even come up for discussion, he said.

"There had been at the time, and still is, a substantial portion of Republican legislators that believe it is more important for the Legislature to make the law instead of the Supreme Court," Greenwood said.

Critics say the policy is a toothless statement, the effect of which is simply to make gays feel excluded. A University of Montana law professor says Montana's 1997 case and the U.S. Supreme Court's Lawrence decision means there's no real chance for the state GOP to act on its position.

"To me, that statement legally is hollow," said constitutional specialist Jack Tuholske. "The principle under Gryczan and under Lawrence, that's the fundamental law of the land and the Legislature can't override the Constitution. It might express their view, but as far as a legal reality, it's a hollow view and can't come to pass."

Montana Human Rights Network organizer Kim Abbott said the GOP platform statement does not represent the attitudes of most Montanans, and it shows that the party is out of touch with the prevalent view of the people they are supposed to represent.

"It speaks volumes to the lesbian and gay community how they are perceived by the Republican Party," Abbott said. "It would be nice if Republicans that understand that gay people are human beings would stand up and say they don't agree with that. But I don't know how likely that is."

Brueggeman suspects that the vast majority of the party believes, as he does, that the Republican party should remove statement. It's against every conservative principle for limited government and issues like this exemplify how a political party can interfere with the relationship between lawmakers and their constituents.

"I just hope it's something that's so sensitive that people don't want to touch it," he said. "Even if there wasn't a Supreme Court decision, does anyone really believe that it should be illegal?"

justcurious4me
Sep 18, 2010, 7:53 PM
Well, at least I know where not to move to... I don't think I ever had any desire to move to Montana anyway... I'm sure it's a beautiful state... But after hearing this... I don't think so... Incidentally... I don't think I could get sent there even if I tried in my current job...

IanBorthwick
Sep 18, 2010, 9:20 PM
That's just amazing...it's rather like discovering the veritable Lost World of politics.

Come to Montana and see the Rep Dinosaurs in action.:eek:

bisexual Bill
Sep 18, 2010, 9:34 PM
It's not going to pass. I'll bet they'd love to do something like this in Texas.

justcurious4me
Sep 18, 2010, 11:56 PM
Not planning on going back there either... Too many bad experiences in San Antonio when I lived there for 5 years... Perfer Washington or Oregon...

abstruse_ric
Sep 19, 2010, 1:18 AM
Not planning on going back there either... Too many bad experiences in San Antonio when I lived there for 5 years... Perfer Washington or Oregon...

Despite a rich populist tradition, Oregon has its own state GOP knuckleheads. The far religious right kidnapped the party during the past decade, with predictable election eve consequences.

justcurious4me
Sep 19, 2010, 3:22 AM
Despite a rich populist tradition, Oregon has its own state GOP knuckleheads. The far religious right kidnapped the party during the past decade, with predictable election eve consequences.

Okay... So note to self... Political idiots are everywhere... Don't want to offend anyone!!! Hehehhee... Still would love to move to one of those states... Actually looking at Seattle... We'll see...

Thomas_The_Rhymer
Sep 19, 2010, 4:36 AM
Perhaps I was overly optimistic of the progress our society has made? :(

Cherokee_Mountaincat
Sep 19, 2010, 5:24 AM
lol Idjets and Bubba's are everywhere, Darlin. Doesnt matter where ya go, they have infested the planet. :}
Cat

darkeyes
Sep 19, 2010, 6:00 AM
Donkeys an dinosaurs...:)

void()
Sep 19, 2010, 7:45 AM
Everybody knows Bubba, even me. He aight.

Montana ain't aight. Needs more queers. I suggest a mass exodus of queers into Montana. Fill the state to the brim until they beg for relief. Then offer it only if they repeal their bullshit law. Cry havoc and let 'em lose!

I mean seriously. We are supposed to be reasoning beings. We ought to have matured. Hell no. We call people racist for using the word nigger, and salute those worshiping Manon. We wage wars because of ideas or how somebody looks. I can be racist. I call people giraffe toed, yellow hooded ant eaters. Now that's racist. Or I call them sloth eyed, mentally addled backwards platypuses.

Bah, it's enough to burn my carrots seeing folks be so foolish. So to heck with it, fight fire with fire. All queers head to Montana, raise hell until they comply. Then you can go back to living as you were.

lookin2tryit
Sep 19, 2010, 2:41 PM
Hmmmmmmmmm .maybe the sheep ranchers felt that their buisness did'nt need competetion! ive heard about why theres a few ewes with the ribbon around their neck!

Cherokee_Mountaincat
Sep 19, 2010, 2:53 PM
LOL Potty mouth, Void! Bad Boy..lol I was teasing a bi-sweetie of mine who lives there in Montana, and told him if anal sex was deemed illegal that all of the sheep herders are going to be crying enmass today. Thought the poor man was going to choke ta death laughing....
Bad Cat

NotLostJustWandering
Sep 19, 2010, 3:19 PM
All queers head to Montana, raise hell until they comply. Then you can go back to living as you were.

LOL. Well, I'm mobile. Is there a nice boy and girl out there who'd like to play house in the mountains with me? :bigrin:

void()
Sep 19, 2010, 5:35 PM
LOL. Well, I'm mobile. Is there a nice boy and girl out there who'd like to play house in the mountains with me? :bigrin:

ROFLMAO

Well there is the wife and me. But I'm not sure you could handle me praying to Robert De Niro and worshiping the sun. After all it is a big stretch from making windmills and creating world domination plots.

If you can't laugh, even at yourself, life isn't worth the living. Besides crying only drives a person mad.

citystyleguy
Sep 20, 2010, 1:54 AM
...like anywhere, montana has great beauty as well as great people; and like anywhere, there are morons, and ignorance abounding. oh well, may those who are not straights, be able to find safety from those who will choose to cause them harm! :(

NotLostJustWandering
Sep 20, 2010, 4:14 AM
Ha, you can't fool me. You spend way too much time on-line to be a sun worshiper.


ROFLMAO

Well there is the wife and me. But I'm not sure you could handle me praying to Robert De Niro and worshiping the sun.

As long as you're not a Shiite!