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NotLostJustWandering
Sep 26, 2010, 3:05 PM
http://colorfulconservative.blogspot.com/2010/08/condoms-and-leftist-politics.html

In the above piece, which is the 2nd article most often viewed on my blog, I argue against the campaign for condoms. I am not a denialist; I know that condoms can effectively stop the spread of HIV if used correctly. But I think the safe-sex movement has made so many people experience sex as a less-than-pleasurable yet utterly available event, with the result that they either tire of sex altogether or rebel in unhealthy ways against condom use.


Well, Bobby, since you're a conservative, I guess you and I must be miles apart on some issues, but I have to stay I really appreciated this article. And I'm coming out and saying so right here, knowing full well how guilt by association works, and that I'll get blacklisted here as a genocidal barebacker, just like you. It's OK, I'm used to it. I've got the Council of American-Islamic Relations in my Facebook friends, so I must be an Islamist terrorist.

Most of all, what I like about your piece is how you talk of how sex has gotten cheapened and desecrated by the culture of casual sex. Unlike you, I do not associate this culture with political liberalism, but I can see how a political conservative might.

And I do not see how promoting barebacking can inhibit the culture of casual sex. Is the idea to raise the ante and scare everyone away from tricking? I think the very fact that there is a barebacking subculture within the gay casual sex subculture shows that people are going to do what they're going to do. Part of the mentality of seeking out shallow sexual encounters, IMO, is a degree of nihilism. With nihilism, it's only a matter of degree before death and disease cease to be issues.



You have something as important as sex, an act people have had for thousands of years. It's not an act that requires much intervention, in my opinion. It has always been a sensitive act, weighted with consequences. The consequences are partly physical (pregnancy, disease) but mostly emotional (heartbreak, shame, abandonment). The consequences are what make sex significant. Without high stakes, sex is meaningless. I know, because I've had my share of pointless, frivolous sex. You feel good for as long as it lasts, and then when it's over you wish you could get home right away and take a shower. You promise never to do it again.

What happens when all sex acts come without consequences, when their availability is infinite and their obstacles almost negligible? Well, you have a lot more of it, which is what liberals think is progress. And you have more of it, without it interrupting your life. Your sex life is easily contained so it won't interfere with your work life, your married life (if you are an adulterer), your friendships, your health, or anything.

Great couple of paragraphs. Thought I'd post them since the ADD crowd here thinks your article's too long to read in its entirety.



Sex is when you feel this intense, hot wave overcome you, and you rip off each other's clothes, and your heart is racing a mile a minute, and you feel yourself "down below" engorged and ready to explode. You do what you can to ready the other person so entering him or her won't hurt, but you can get the other person ready while still sharing caresses and tenderness.

[Embarrassed laughter] You should study a little tantra, my friend. Not like I'm a tantra master by any means, but I can assure you even a little will change your experience and perspective on what sex is all about.


So you stay inside as long as you can, until that crescendo and release. If you're like me, you stay inside for a while as your heartbeat slows and you start to breathe.

That's sex.

For a lot of people, sure. :rolleyes: But try breathing during sex, not just afterwards. Deeply, with great attention and awareness of how the air and the energy it contains goes through your body. Things will open up for you in a way that fumbling with condoms can't close.



Condoms are funny looking and awkard. Sometimes the packages don't open easily. You have to stop kissing and caressing while you fiddle with the lamp to get the light focused on your penis. Which is uncomfortable, since penises are funny looking and the last thing you want to see, just before making love, is a funny looking appendage (the point of lovemaking is to hide it, for heaven's sake.)

Lord. Have. Mercy. Are you sure you're not straight?



And then you have sex and there's a foreign object inserted into the woman you love. You don't think of yourself as a foreign object normally, but with latex smothering your penis, you are keenly aware that her orifices aren't accustomed to you being there and somewhat unhappy about your visit. What was oneness under the old routine is now foreignness and separateness amplified.

I too have always found that condoms greatly reduce the sense of intimacy in hetero coitus. You're simply not touching where you're supposed to. I've always been happy to get the point in a committed LTR where you can stop using them all the time.



Any ideology that promotes condoms without understanding that they ruin sex, is an ideology destined to make people miserable.

I think people can figure out for themselves whether rubbers ruin sex for them.


And in the end, it is a dishonest ideology. It tells young people that sex is about the mechanics of getting into a woman and getting out without being in danger. Sex is always dangerous!

Amen!


Clear up the physical part of it and you still haven't solved the problem of herpes, crabs, or heartbreak. The last of these latter three is clearly the one no scientific advances can solve.

Preach!



What if we just gave up condoms as an idea altogether? Imagine what would happen. Okay, some people would be out of work at the Trojan rubber company, but think of what the rest of us would be doing. We would be getting to know people we sleep with. We would be working to protect ourselves by building up trust, finding out if the other person is faithful, and deciding how to manage the risk of pregnancy according to the life situation we are in.

Aaaaaaand despite all precautions a lot more people would be getting STDs and abortions. On second thought, let's all not do this at once.

TaylorMade
Sep 26, 2010, 3:23 PM
This IS a good article.

I don't bareback as practice. . . but this is a good mini-thesis as to why some people bareback, once you strip the politics away.

Barebacking forces the contentious not to be lazy. It forces people who really care about that other person (or people!) to be diligent, to be faithful to the person (or people!) in that relationship.

It makes sex a really weighty proposition rather than a "fire and forget" route to an orgasm.

I honestly don't want to work that hard right now for my current slate of partners, so - - I ain't gonna do that. But when it comes to that one guy. . . I just might.

After doing my due diligence, of course. :p

*Taylor*

NotLostJustWandering
Sep 26, 2010, 3:24 PM
http://wdim.aiwdepts.com/studentWork/IMD100/elizHawks/gallery/image05.png

TaylorMade
Sep 26, 2010, 3:40 PM
http://wdim.aiwdepts.com/studentWork/IMD100/elizHawks/gallery/image05.png

Yeah, It's like that. :p

*Taylor*

slipnslide
Sep 26, 2010, 3:49 PM
Barebacking forces the contentious not to be lazy. It forces people who really care about that other person (or people!) to be diligent, to be faithful to the person (or people!) in that relationship.

It makes sex a really weighty proposition rather than a "fire and forget" route to an orgasm.


Except that's not what gay guys are telling me. I'm hearing about a lot of condom-less sex between guys that just met. This reality nullifies the whole argument and explains the current explosion in STI rates.

In answer to the question of censor or burn at the stake, the better answer is ignore. His idea is already in practice, with disastrous consequences.

I can't even fathom how someone could want to stick their condom-less dick in the same hole where people shit out of - but I guess that's why the nurse told me that if I was going to be sexual active with men to get vaccinated against hepatitis.

TaylorMade
Sep 26, 2010, 5:23 PM
Except that's not what gay guys are telling me. I'm hearing about a lot of condom-less sex between guys that just met. This reality nullifies the whole argument and explains the current explosion in STI rates.

In answer to the question of censor or burn at the stake, the better answer is ignore. His idea is already in practice, with disastrous consequences.

I can't even fathom how someone could want to stick their condom-less dick in the same hole where people shit out of - but I guess that's why the nurse told me that if I was going to be sexual active with men to get vaccinated against hepatitis.

In theory. . . if you're going to be responsible and bareback (which, let's face it, these guys you're talking about aren't) you're going to be monogamous, and in a relationship with that person. (which, as you're saying, these guys aren't) I wouldn't recommend bareback in that position and my post's context states as such.

Bareback isn't my default way of doing business. But I'm willing to listen to a philosophical reason to do so if it has merit. Me and Lost seem to think there is merit to this argument. Neither of us may ever bareback, but maybe it fits into our world views of man as a full sexual being, with our sexual natures melding into all facets of our being.

I have a pussy and I don't really do anal. . .so,Yeah. :D

*Taylor*

NotLostJustWandering
Sep 26, 2010, 5:59 PM
... condone the bareback gay porn industry like that guy did on his blog...

I don't think BG did that. He mentioned the case of the barebacking porn star's getting HIV and how it brought the controversy to light, and how at that point he refused to take a stand against barebacking. The way I read it, he neither condoned nor condemned the bareback gay porn industry. Or is mentioning the industry without condemning it enough, by your reckoning, to qualify as condoning?

void()
Sep 26, 2010, 8:22 PM
Thank you for your compassion and concern switch. In some way it resonates tomes for someone like me. And yes, I'm being genuine and earnest, not snide and rude.

DuckiesDarling
Sep 26, 2010, 9:22 PM
Oh for crying out loud, no we should not censor Bobby. People may not agree with what he does or says but that doesn't make it an unpardonable sin. The same way we want the WBC church to shut up and quit protesting funerals yet we know that right is protected and has to be enforced by police at the funerals when people try to interfere. It's a double edged sword but that is what we pay for the price of freedom. People have the right to say whatever they want, the rest of us have the right to not listen. :2cents:

Long Duck Dong
Sep 26, 2010, 10:41 PM
is it just me or do the switch and the sodomandgormorrahshow have the same mannerism, style of writting and way of expression with the same stance against the same people.....

are judgmental people cloned from the same dna or what ????

Angie1969
Sep 26, 2010, 11:04 PM
I see nothing wrong with bareback sex with long term partners. And If you do have bareback sex then get tested for std's and such often. Even if you do use condoms and barriers you should still get std testing and AIDS/HIV testing. Even condoms are not 100% effective. That is why I used to have long term relationships. I lost them due to a stalker. But my girlfriend and I are going to spend some time together and maybe I can get some decent partners again.
Be safe.

Realist
Sep 26, 2010, 11:16 PM
Maybe this is a good time to insert this.

It's in Spanish, but still funny as hell...fits right in, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=391GF2f17iw

Cherokee_Mountaincat
Sep 26, 2010, 11:52 PM
Barebacking is fine for people in long term-commited relationships. For the rest of us, using protection is just plain Smart. If it is too hard for you to care about someone to take 30 seconds and slip one on, then you're a piss-poor lover. And any body with any sense nowdays Should use protection with Any new lover. There's too much out there to be stupid and careless...:eek::(
No glovin', no lovin' is my mantra. What others do is up to them, but thats My take on it.
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