More invasiive politics from Alaska

[lizard-lix]

As if Sarah Palin wasn't enough, Gov. Sean Parnell's appointee for the panel that nominates state judges testified Wednesday that he would like to see Alaskans prosecuted for having sex outside of marriage.

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2011/03/23/1772266/senate-panel-questions-judicial.html#ixzz1HiExR18Y

Will someone kindly tell these damn people to stay the hell out of your/my/everyone's pants!

From the interview:

One blog post on the Eagle Forum Alaska site praised efforts at criminalizing adultery in Michigan, and Paskvan asked Haase if he thought it should be a felony in Alaska.

"I don't see that that would rise to the level of a felony," Haase said.

Paskvan: "Do you believe it should be a crime?"

Haase: "Yeah, I think it's very harmful to have extramarital affairs. It's harmful to children, it's harmful to the spouse who entered a legally binding agreement to marry the person that's cheating on them."

Paskvan: "What about premarital affairs -- should that be a crime?"

Haase: "I think that would be up to the voters certainly. If it came before (the state) as a vote, I probably would vote for it ... I can see where it would be a matter for the state to be involved with because of the spread of disease and the likelihood that it would cause violence. I can see legitimate reasons to push that as a crime."

While I can agree with some of his sentiments about how adultery can cause damage, there is nothing in my marriage license (the state one) that says I must remain monogamous, so his legal stance is on damn thin ice, sinking in the water actually.

It's also interesting, that the GOP, who keeps saying that big government is a bad thing seems to think that big brother is a good thing.

For those of you in MI, be careful out there! And they don't discuss swinging or CONSENSUAL extramarital sex at all, but I suppose that they would just lump all that in to the illegal bin...

Imagine: A world without religion (John Lennon)

Liz

[DuckiesDarling]

I have to wonder if such a law would even matter should it come to pass. Look at Prostitution, it's illegal in most states, but that is not a deterrent. :2cents:

[lizard-lix]

Oh, but it would matter! In places where prostitution is legal, the prostitutes are usually mandated to get regular STI screens, have protection, etc. Where it is illegal, they are criminals and often get abused.

If adultery was illegal, then not only would the adulterer face potentially getting outed by the police, it would likely also figure into the divorce case, etc..

Leave it to the lawyers to make it into a world of hurt.

And lastly, how many laws do we need to just mess up our lives?

While we talk about legalizing glbtq marriage, others want us all jailed for who we are..

Liz

[DuckiesDarling]

But adultery is already a big deal in divorce cases anyway, so I reiterate not a deterrent.

And wait a minute, what do you mean being outed by the police? If this does come to pass the law would apply to EVERYONE not just bisexuals. And there have been plenty of threads on here about cheating but this is one of my favorites on the subject: http://main.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10564

[lizard-lix]

OK, it may not be a deterrent, but it will still definitely cause harm and will never cause any good, so as a law it seems to be a bad idea

And, I never said it would cause trouble for bisexuals only, it will cause trouble for everyone who falls under it's umbrella.

It is also a slide down the slippery slope.. First adultery, but he also talks about making ANY sex out of wedlock illegal... So now you are a criminal too..

I guess the potential creep is the real issue.

Also, what constitutes adultery? Does playing in PM count? Can they come to your home and arrest you for virtual adultery? Where is the line, have your sexually suggestive posts crossed it?

Big can 'O worms here...

[Diva667]

The question is "what is adultery?"

If you are in a polyamorous relationship with everyone aware and consenting, a triad say, is that adultery? Could your neighbor phone you in to the police?

They tossed the Texas sodomy laws based on the right to privacy, the same would be true here.

If two people go into a hotel room together , how do you know what they are doing? They could be discussing business, having a drink, or whatever.

I think its funny , in a sad sort of way, that these people are more concerned with keeping you and I on the straight and narrow than keeping big business on the straight and narrow. Especially when BP, Exxon and many other corporations create more damage than we could even possibly begin to imagine on our own.

Lastly re: prostitution - "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."- Albert Einstein.

I just think its time we acknowledge that this issue wont go away by criminalizing the act of prostitution. We've done this to death. Time to look at a more effective way of dealing with the issue. Whatever that may be.

Of course it does give some people jobs , chasing prostitutes around town, on your dime, I suppose. Maybe that's what we want? Maybe we are playing a game with ourselves? Seems silly to me, however.

[Falke]

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So, the question now to be asked: Personally, in my wife and I's wedding vows, we never stated that we would be monogamous. Further, in Michigan law there isn't one line stating one must only have one sex partner. The only real prohibitions are marriage to family members, mentally challenged, or plural marriage.

http://courts.co.calhoun.mi.us/book012.htm#What%20is

In short, I wish the state the best of luck trying to prosecute someone in an open relationship like ours, as people like us never signed up to be monogamous in the first place, nor does the law giving us a marriage claim we have to be.

[Hephaestion]

Wouldn't Alaska be counted as Inuit territory?

When young we were shown film of the eskimo who welcomed itinerants to the extent that they often allowed them to sleep with the wife of the family so as to mix the genes (as we understand things today).

Extramarital relationships were depicted as more the norm than the frowned upon exceptions. So much for creeping civilization.

[Realist]

Hep, the Indians' relaxed "laws" on immigration is a great argument for better control of those who want to move into a country!

When the first white man showed up on these shores, the Indians probably should have put an immediate end to them. or ensured they could benefit the Indians, before setting foot upon their soil! Anyway, it was the beginning of the end for their way of life.

I was in the Army with a Seminole Indian, back in the '50s. He carried a photo of a sign in a bar that read:

"In the beginning, the Indian women did all the raising, preparing, and cooking, of the food. They built the huts, or set up the tepees, raised the children, made clothes, and took care of their men, too. All the men had to do was hunt and fish and sit around the fire at night, telling stories and smoking!"

Then..................the white man came over here and thought they could improve on that situation!"

[chuck1124]

I consider myself a conservative, but, for my own part. let the government stay out of my bedroom, or any other persons bed room. What two (or more) consenting adults do is no one's business. Certainly not the business of the government. But consider this. A world without religion would be a dangerous place. So let the religious handle the adultery

[mikey3000]

I was in the Army with a Seminole Indian, back in the '50s. He carried a photo of a sign in a bar that read:

"In the beginning, the Indian women did all the raising, preparing, and cooking, of the food. They built the huts, or set up the tepees, raised the children, made clothes, and took care of their men, too. All the men had to do was hunt and fish and sit around the fire at night, telling stories and smoking!"

Then..................the white man came over here and thought they could improve on that situation!"
Bastards!!!!! Boy we got that wrong, eh?

AS for all you Americans who thought Sarah Palin was off her nut, see? Things can always get worse.

[Diva667]

I consider myself a conservative, but, for my own part. let the government stay out of my bedroom, or any other persons bed room. What two (or more) consenting adults do is no one's business. Certainly not the business of the government. But consider this. A world without religion would be a dangerous place. So let the religious handle the adultery


I disagree.

The world IS a dangerous place, and religion hasn't made it safer.

[darkeyes]

I disagree.

The world IS a dangerous place, and religion hasn't made it safer.

So true Diva.. wonda wot 'e means by let the religious handle adultery??? Historically they didn do 2 good a job at it..;)

[Diva667]

So true Diva.. wonda wot 'e means by let the religious handle adultery??? Historically they didn do 2 good a job at it..;)

I wonder if he's actually read the old testament? Or the new testament? The Qur'an isn't too keen on female adulterers either, if I recall correctly.

[elian]

Do people in Alaska really CARE what goes on in each other's bedrooms or is this some sort of ploy for a certain politician to draw attention to himself? I would kind of get the idea that most people would feel it's a private matter.

[Falke]

Something tells me they don't.

As someone from Alaska once told us over a beer. "In Alaska you don't loose your wife, you just loose your turn!"

[darkeyes]

I wonder if he's actually read the old testament? Or the new testament? The Qur'an isn't too keen on female adulterers either, if I recall correctly.

Nope.. but wosn thinkin a that.. wos thinkin more on lines a chuckin huge boulders at peeps an crushin ther skulls as in days of old.. in this country a cuppla hundred years ago.. peeps who had been at it illicitly an got found out had 2 sit on special stools wile the minister ranted an raved bout how they wud go 2 hell.. an ther is a course brickin peeps up wich is not unkown usually nuns an the like..burnin.. an various punishments invariably worse for 'er than 'im.. tho admittedly not always.. tis but the way a the world.. mannie sows wild oats..'e is a Jack the lad an gets pats on the back for bein a rite 1.. lass is a fuckin slut for doin same..

Ahhh me mysandry knos no ends Diva babes dus it?? Me shud b ashamed... yeaaa.. rite... aint relgion woteva it is fuckin brill???

Wen me wos wee memba a minister preachin that "the sins a humanity originate in woman for in her there is the temptation of all true and good men". Havya ev heard such fuckin shite inya life???

[Hephaestion]

Nope.. but wosn thinkin a that.. wos thinkin more on lines a chuckin huge boulders at peeps an crushin ther skulls as in days of old.. in this country a cuppla hundred years ago.. peeps who had been at it illicitly an got found out had 2 sit on special stools wile the minister ranted an raved bout how they wud go 2 hell.. an ther is a course brickin peeps up wich is not unkown usually nuns an the like..burnin.. an various punishments invariably worse for 'er than 'im.. tho admittedly not always.. tis but the way a the world.. mannie sows wild oats..'e is a Jack the lad an gets pats on the back for bein a rite 1.. lass is a fuckin slut for doin same..

Ahhh me mysandry knos no ends Diva babes dus it?? Me shud b ashamed... yeaaa.. rite... aint relgion woteva it is fuckin brill???

Wen me wos wee memba a minister preachin that "the sins a humanity originate in woman for in her there is the temptation of all true and good men". Havya ev heard such fuckin shite inya life???

1) NOt so sure that religion is to blame. It's never the belief system. It's always the idiots that abuse it. Some systems make this easier.

2) Should one deduce that the faith you experienced was of Catholic flavour - the usurper faith? To this day there is a cupping of the balls to make sure that the Pope is male; what happens if he has moobs, his buds are missing, and his susage is small?

3) '...sins of humanity originate in women'? A nice looking pair of cheeks on a younger man being pointed away from? Our Holy Joe (not Catholic) was a a "confirmed batchelor" and only spoke of his worries of getting pregnant.

4) You and your blooming "sandry" ("Bummer of a Birthmark Hal" - Larson)

[darkeyes]

No Heph.. he wos an old fashioned Kirk preacher bout 80 years old.. wos nev brought up religious.. but wen we did.. an even still do go 2 family Christenins wich tend 2 happen durin normal church services.. alla me life hav been waitin 2 b struck by bolt a lightenin for me heretical thoughts... me cud b wrong bout God ya kno..:eek:

.. an agree wivya.. the word isnt 2 blame but the arseholes who try an impose it an interpret it 2 suit ther own ends...:)

[Diva667]

Read this the other day

Who Wrote the Bible and Why It Matters (http://aimalyn.tumblr.com/post/4134337493/who-wrote-the-bible-and-why-it-matters)



Nope.. but wosn thinkin a that.. wos thinkin more on lines a chuckin huge boulders at peeps an crushin ther skulls as in days of old.. in this country a cuppla hundred years ago.. peeps who had been at it illicitly an got found out had 2 sit on special stools wile the minister ranted an raved bout how they wud go 2 hell.. an ther is a course brickin peeps up wich is not unkown usually nuns an the like..burnin.. an various punishments invariably worse for 'er than 'im.. tho admittedly not always.. tis but the way a the world.. mannie sows wild oats..'e is a Jack the lad an gets pats on the back for bein a rite 1.. lass is a fuckin slut for doin same..

Ahhh me mysandry knos no ends Diva babes dus it?? Me shud b ashamed... yeaaa.. rite... aint relgion woteva it is fuckin brill???

Wen me wos wee memba a minister preachin that "the sins a humanity originate in woman for in her there is the temptation of all true and good men". Havya ev heard such fuckin shite inya life???

[darkeyes]

Read this the other day

Who Wrote the Bible and Why It Matters (http://aimalyn.tumblr.com/post/4134337493/who-wrote-the-bible-and-why-it-matters)

Have never seen this but can go along with it Diva.. have always argued that both old and new Testaments were written by men for their own purposes.. men with an agenda and imposed on us by men with an agenda.. supported and corrupted and made worse by men (and nowadays more and more women) with an agenda.. not just the bible, but just about every holy book and religious belief on the planet.. man created God is my argument.. people believe otherwise that is their right.. people believe many things to try and make sense of their place in the world.. but it is actually quite sad when you think about it...that they are unable to believe and comprehend that their species alone were responsible for the myriad of amazing things (and the shite) that humanity has done since humanity first developed a thinking brain and walked on the planet.. that everything has to be credited to a super being (or of course aliens).. personally I think we deserve a tadge more credit that that... and much condemnation and criticism where necessary..

[12voltman59]

This is the kind of stupid crap the new breed of "conservatives" try to get passed into law--so much for really being concerned with getting the economy back on track, creating the new industries that make new jobs, fixing a crumbling infrastructure and things of that sort--no--they have to spend their time "fiddling while Rome burns" with stupid shit of this sort!!!!!

So much for their vaunted "libertarianism" as well that likes to say things like " we need to get the government off the backs of the people!!"--I do guess its OK to put the government into our bedrooms though and use the power of the state to control our personal actions!!!

Crazy stuff, things like this!!!

[Darkside2009]

The Sun and the Moon exist, Mankind did not create them. The Oceans and the Mountains exist, Mankind did not create them. The trees and the flowers exist and the other species of animals, Mankind did not create those either.

Just as you cannot make an omelette without eggs, you cannot make something out of nothing.

What has Mankind achieved? A great deal, he has poisoned the rivers and the oceans, laid waste to the land with his greed. Made prostitutes of his brothers and sisters. Defiled young and old without a second thought, made many other species extinct, not through need of food, but for sheer joy of killing.

Enslaved his fellow Man with no other thought than how he could enrich himself. Now he has finally arrived at the position were he can destroy himself and every other form of life on this planet many times over.

Truly a record to be proud of

[Diva667]

The Sun and the Moon exist, Mankind did not create them. The Oceans and the Mountains exist, Mankind did not create them. The trees and the flowers exist and the other species of animals, Mankind did not create those either.

Just as you cannot make an omelette without eggs, you cannot make something out of nothing.

What has Mankind achieved? A great deal, he has poisoned the rivers and the oceans, laid waste to the land with his greed. Made prostitutes of his brothers and sisters. Defiled young and old without a second thought, made many other species extinct, not through need of food, but for sheer joy of killing.

Enslaved his fellow Man with no other thought than how he could enrich himself. Now he has finally arrived at the position were he can destroy himself and every other form of life on this planet many times over.

Truly a record to be proud of

Heck we also created religions and societies that allow us to feel good about and justify our prejudices.

[darkeyes]

The Sun and the Moon exist, Mankind did not create them. The Oceans and the Mountains exist, Mankind did not create them. The trees and the flowers exist and the other species of animals, Mankind did not create those either.

Just as you cannot make an omelette without eggs, you cannot make something out of nothing.

What has Mankind achieved? A great deal, he has poisoned the rivers and the oceans, laid waste to the land with his greed. Made prostitutes of his brothers and sisters. Defiled young and old without a second thought, made many other species extinct, not through need of food, but for sheer joy of killing.

Enslaved his fellow Man with no other thought than how he could enrich himself. Now he has finally arrived at the position were he can destroy himself and every other form of life on this planet many times over.

Truly a record to be proud of

Did say we deserve condemnation and criticism about many things.. am not and would never say we are perfect.. but for all the harm we have done as a species we have also done many wonderful things.. shown the most amazing compassion and love, written the most wonderful music and literature and created the most awesome art, invented many wonderful things for the benefit of all.. equally we have been petty, vindictive and destructive and done all that is the opposite of what I said before... it always amazes me that in his struggle to understand his place in the world man invented numerous credos to enable him to escape his responsibility for the damage and wrong he does.. he invented a God.. or Gods...

No, humankind did not invent the cosmos and the natural world.. we are but a part of it.. nor did any God.. the explanation for the cosmos and all natural things is more convincingly although not more easily explained by science than ever by religion.. just the humble view of a non believer, darkside..

[12voltman59]

Our braintrust legislators here in Ohio are working on a new bill that if it got approved and somehow passed legal muster--would establish that once you have a detectable fetal heartbeat---they say that is like within two weeks of a woman getting pregnant and that she might not yet have any idea she is pregnant as yet---abortion at this point would be prohibited in ALL cases!!!! No provision for rape, or any other reason to allow abortions would be allowed under this law.

In one state--they had a proposal to make it a crime for a woman to have a miscarriage--to the degree it would be a felony--the lawmaker--a man---said that "most miscarriages are caused by the woman"--even though that is pure hokum---but under his proposal---if a woman had a miscarriage---the police would have to conduct a criminal investigation to determine if the woman had in some way taken positive steps to cause her miscarriage and if that was found to be the case--she would be charged with felony murder. In that state---they say that it is already almost impossible for women to get an abortion since they only have one clinic in the state that does them and they did put in rules that a woman has to first go through a series of counseling sessions about "the harm caused by abortions"-then she has to still wait 72 hours before she can go through with it, so for the most part--unless someone has the real determination to have a legal abortion there---it is pretty damn hard to do so.

That proposed rule for an investigation into women miscarrying comes at a time that the police departments all across the nation are going to have to drastically cut their personnel to barely sustainable minimums thanks to all of the budget cuts that are coming, let alone forget the notion that somehow investigating miscarriages would somehow become a priority of police to investigate when they can barely keep up with the murders of "real people" out on the streets and not some tissue that didn't become viable in a woman's womb.

The problem with laws like this--as I have said in the past--if they "stick" in one place--in no time now--you see the same or a similar law pop up in legislatures all over the country and with so many states having Republican legislative majorities in them--with the help of some retrograde democrats as well---these things just sail through state houses before you are hardly even aware they are being considered. The speed they move now is really something!!!

Another issue is that these brainiacs sure do seem to have all this concern over fetuses and even life when its not much more than material that exhibits some biological processes in a petri dish---but they sure as hell don't much care for life when its a real live, walking around human being--since they sure are intent on making life a sucky as possible once you are anything more than a toddler.

I do think that this proposed law did not make it very far--but this is the kind of great, far thinking stuff those bright lights are thinking about and working on!!!!

All the while--by every measure---we are falling further and further behind in so many ways.

Like I said--its sort of like the story of the fall of Rome--- first Nero had all kinds of crazy diversions to keep the minds of the people off the shitty situation that the empire was mired in then he literally fiddled while Rome burned to the ground around him!!!

In America today---most people seem to get more amped up over some crazy as a loon celeb making his videos, the brackets for sports teams not being what was expected or who is winning on some "realty show."

Even when good hard working people in the tens of thousands do take to the streets over some of the pressing issues of the day--they get dissed by the talking heads as "malcontents" or whatever--and that is if their protests get noted at all by the "lamestream media*!"(about the only thing I agree with the former half-term governor of our far western most state about)

[Darkside2009]

The answer seems fairly simple, only vote for the people you trust to represent your views, or better still, stand for office yourself.

[Falke]

The answer seems fairly simple, only vote for the people you trust to represent your views, or better still, stand for office yourself.


LOL! This is why I don't vote. It turns into a choice of voting for the person whom is going to have a hand in my bedroom or a hand in my gun safe... of course both want a hand in my wallet! Rarely if ever is there a candidate that respects the rights and/or privacy of the citizens.