Do bi or striaght men prefer Transwomen over real women?

[The Bisexual Virgin]

These question has been really on my brain recently, and was wondering why do so called 'straight men' and bi men are starting to leave the real biological women behind to be with a Transwoman? Why do men hate us so much that they are looking at a transwoman to fulfill their needs? I know this might sound crazy, but within a hundred or so years, or maybe even in the near future the transgender woman might replace the real women on this planet, since men are going goo-goo gaa-gaa crazy over them, and I don't understand it.:confused:

If I sound bitchy to any transgender woman out there, please know this thread is not bashing you at all. I would like an honest answer.

[BiDaveDtown]

I'm a bisexual man and I've only ever had sex, dated, and even married a biological woman or real woman as you wrote. Most straight men are just into biological women and don't want to have sex with or date a TG/TS woman at all.

[Jobelorocks]

Well, I am not sure why some men prefer trans women over biological women, but I like both trans women and biological women. Women are women and trans or not each one has a unique allure. I really don't have a preference, just as long as I am attracted to them. My husband is a straight man and it doesn't make a difference to him if a woman is trans or not, he just likes women.

I think of trans women as real women.

[Long Duck Dong]

interesting question....lol....

I have heard some guys talk about how there are less * issues *, like periods and hormonal changes, pregnancy worries etc etc and that trans women can be better and more open to oral and anal sex than cisgender females...... and yeah for some there is the * taboo * aspect.......

honestly, I am not sure there is a clear answer, its a individual one depending on the person.......

from my own experiences, I have found there is a difference between a trans person ( male to female pre op ) and a cisgender female, but its unique to each trans person and while its personality traits for the most part, there is a underlying energy in the person that is the real interest for me... and no its not really sexual... its a gentle softness, a flowing type of energy around and in the part, kinda like a contentness with who they are.......

its a pain in the ass to try to define things in terms that make sense in a forum,..... so I generally rely on other peoples own understanding of energy like that lol

[MarieDelta]

These question has been really on my brain recently, and was wondering why do so called 'straight men' and bi men are starting to leave the real biological women behind to be with a Transwoman? Why do men hate us so much that they are looking at a transwoman to fulfill their needs? I know this might sound crazy, but within a hundred or so years, or maybe even in the near future the transgender woman might replace the real women on this planet, since men are going goo-goo gaa-gaa crazy over them, and I don't understand it.:confused:

If I sound bitchy to any transgender woman out there, please know this thread is not bashing you at all. I would like an honest answer.

I think some men have made a fetish of being with trans-women. They think we are "the best of both worlds" when in fact we are people , with all the flaws that people have.

Some of this is encouraged and built up by the porn industry, who, in their lust for money, portray us to others as something we aren't.

But we are just the same as anyone else (be they cis (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cis-) (bio in your words) or trans).

FWIW it's quite annoying to be hit on by one of these "admirers" and have them insist that you are something you are not.

One last note: We are biological , just like you, our biology is just a bit different. Being trans is biological, it is not a choice.( Transsexual study reveals genetic link (http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/10/27/2401941.htm), Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism (http://ts-si.org/files/doi101016jbiopsych200808033.pdf) )

[unicorn_factory]

I think because women don`t know what to do with bisexual men. I certainly feel that way. Cinderella doesn`t do it for me, and I think for most bi men. Women can`t hang unless they have very masculine qualities. Not to mention that the incompatibility runs both ways.

I lie. I do enjoy submissive women. But, she`d have to be one of those 'active' submissives, who egg you on. Just sitting there, looking pretty, and waiting for me to shower attention, money, and vows onto you to sweep you off your feet doesn`t do it for me.

So, yeah. Trans seem to be the best of both worlds, in a way. I`ve been with one, and she was EXTREMELY hot, precisely because of her masculine 'qualities'. lol.

[transchk]

Bi guys want trans girls because they want cock, but want to tell themselves that they are with a girl. However, if a guy wants her because of her parts, he is not respecting her as a woman.

[Bisexual Explorer]

Being able to enjoy both biological women and transexuals is one of the many great things about being bi. My attraction to men, women, and transexuals depends on the individual rather than on categories. Speaking only for myself, I am not one of those guys who want "trans girls because they want cock, but want to tell themselves that they are with a girl" as transchk writes above. I want trans girls because they have a cock and because they are feminine. The combination is a real turn. I don't need to fool myself that I am with a girl.
Bisexual Explorer

[BiCplAz]

Being able to enjoy both biological women and transexuals is one of the many great things about being bi. My attraction to men, women, and transexuals depends on the individual rather than on categories. Speaking only for myself, I am not one of those guys who want "trans girls because they want cock, but want to tell themselves that they are with a girl" as transchk writes above. I want trans girls because they have a cock and because they are feminine. The combination is a real turn. I don't need to fool myself that I am with a girl.
Bisexual Explorer

I couldn't have said it better. Been with them all and enjoyed them all. Went to many parties in San Jose CA where about 7 or 8 TS TG Bi girls, u name it, lived. Talk about having a ball, or more:-)

[nutme]

Maybe I am adding some thought to this question that wasn't intended, but; is it suggesting that REAL women are just for making babies? I"m not getting the question, at all! I suppose for the value of curiousity, then a case can be made for a an event with a tranny, but to even suggest that REAL women could be replaced it simply insane. Nothing on the planet can replace a REAL woman; he sense of self, her level head, the aura of her presense; her scent, taste and the feel of her touch. What I am saying is that to me, the question is just silly.

[bieyeswideopen]

I can speak to what many "blooming" bi-guys have told me... the "trans-thing" is for them, a cross-over point, a threshold, so to speak. As others have said, for many men, its about trying to have the "best-of-both".. and not dealing with their own feelings of gay/bi with just a guy.

Me? I am like nut, biazcpl, and 'Explorer. I seek out that which I want to have intimate time with. guy, chick, trans.. I search out that option.

Rob

[MarieDelta]

@Nut -Are you suggesting that trans women aren't real women? I think you need to rethink this. Your definitions of real and not real are possibly screwed up.

I bet you cant even define "man" and "woman" not in any meaningful way.

Let me define fetish for you all - any object or non-genital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. These men don't want a real woman, they want something to put on a pedestal to wank off to. The minute you become real, with real problems, that is when they bail on you.

[PeterNZ]

@Nut -Are you suggesting that trans women aren't real women? I think you need to rethink this. Your definitions of real and not real are possibly screwed up. I bet you cant even define "man" and "woman" not in any meaningful way. Let me define fetish for you all - any object or non-genital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. These men don't want a real woman, they want something to put on a pedestal to wank off to. The minute you become real, with real problems, that is when they bail on you. You've got cisgenderphobia. Transgendered people both FTM and MTF are not genetically or biologically the opposite gender that they transition to. An FTM is going to be biologically and genetically female, and an MTF is going to be biologically and physically male. If cisgender men and cisgender women want NSA sex with a Trans woman and both people agree to it, what's the issue with that? They're both consenting adults. Clearly you do not understand what a Fetish is since apparently men and women who are into Transwomen are apparently into Transwomen since as Transchick wrote they have a dick, and Transmen have a vagina. This isn't a fetish at all since it has to do with the Trans person's genitals which are sexual An actual fetish is getting turned on by something completely non-sexual such as balloons, cigars, feet, hands, or shoes. Sexual fetishism, or erotic fetishism, is the sexual arousal a person receives from a physical object, or from a specific situation. The object or situation of interest is called the fetish, the person a fetishist who has a fetish for that object/situation. Then again a lot of Trans activists go way overboard with their PC thinking, and support censorship, and are even highly homophobic, biphobic, and cisgenderphobic towards gay men and lesbian women, and bisexuals of both genders, and everyone who is not trans.

[nutme]

@Nut -Are you suggesting that trans women aren't real women? I think you need to rethink this. Your definitions of real and not real are possibly screwed up.

I bet you cant even define "man" and "woman" not in any meaningful way.

Let me define fetish for you all - any object or non-genital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. These men don't want a real woman, they want something to put on a pedestal to wank off to. The minute you become real, with real problems, that is when they bail on you.

If you want to go at it, you can do that all by yourself. I gave an opinion, that is all.

[IndyBiFun]

Interesting question.

Once upon a time I dated a transgendered woman and had an awesome time. I looked at her as being just another woman.

I agree with Jobelorocks; as far as I am concerned, a woman is a woman.

[love26t9]

Well I knew what I really liked when I got to see some beautiful anked female pics from the waist up--I mean AAA frigginhot and I hoped like crazy that when I scrolled the pic down that I would find a beautiful hard cock. I do love ladies and I do love eating pussy to the point of drowning in the juices but I do love the taste of cock too

[glenn???]

real women want a man to give her a copy of his financial statement, a resume of everything in his life, and if that meets up to her standards, then and ONLY then will she even think of a date or sex, and if the financial report isnt UP to her qualifications -- he can forget it. anybody ever hear that " women are like monkeys - they wont let go of a branch until they have another one in their GRASP"

[PeterNZ]

real women want a man to give her a copy of his financial statement, a resume of everything in his life, and if that meets up to her standards, then and ONLY then will she even think of a date or sex, and if the financial report isnt UP to her qualifications -- he can forget it. anybody ever hear that " women are like monkeys - they wont let go of a branch until they have another one in their GRASP" If you don't mind me asking how old are you? I can see how if you're young how you could see that women who are also young can mostly be this way. Then again I have also met older women who are gold diggers but they made it very clear that they are only interested in a bloke's status, money if he has any, and want a cushy life and want a future sugar daddy. Either way mate you are meeting the wrong type of women. Even if it is just for dating or casual sex most women are not going to interview you and find out if you are wealthy or have a high paying job. Not all women are the way you describe them to be. The right woman will not care about how much money you make, or what sort of jobs or careers you currently have or had in the past. She'll like you for who you are as a person and will not care about any of that.

[DuckiesDarling]

These question has been really on my brain recently, and was wondering why do so called 'straight men' and bi men are starting to leave the real biological women behind to be with a Transwoman? Why do men hate us so much that they are looking at a transwoman to fulfill their needs? I know this might sound crazy, but within a hundred or so years, or maybe even in the near future the transgender woman might replace the real women on this planet, since men are going goo-goo gaa-gaa crazy over them, and I don't understand it.:confused:

If I sound bitchy to any transgender woman out there, please know this thread is not bashing you at all. I would like an honest answer.

I've been reading this thread and finally have to respond. I don't think it has anything to do with whether it's a "real" woman or a "trans" woman, it has to do with personality. Honestly, I didn't have a problem finding either a straight man or a bi man, so if you are having an issue, I'd say take a good long, honest look in the mirror. Ask yourself what parts of your personality might be causing the issue and work to change it. I don't think there is ever a question of anyone replacing anyone, after all we do want the human race to continue.

[tenni]

"I've been reading this thread and finally have to respond. I don't think it has anything to do with whether it's a "real" woman or a "trans" woman, it has to do with personality. Honestly, I didn't have a problem finding either a straight man or a bi man, so if you are having an issue, I'd say take a good long, honest look in the mirror."

Why did you leave off that you wouldn't have a problem with a transman as a lover?

I'm personally not attracted to a transwoman in transition. I wouldn't seek out a transman but depending upon the person, it might be kewl to kiss a man and fuck his pussy. (not sure as the entire transitioning doesn't seem to appeal to me) It would depend upon the individual transwoman if they had transitioned. In that sense I partially agree with the above quote and what Jobel wrote.

[_Joe_]

Two things come to mind... First, you'll never hear "I'm Late". Second, you also never hear "Aunt Flow is visiting"

Take it for what you will.

[The Bisexual Virgin]

I've been reading this thread and finally have to respond. I don't think it has anything to do with whether it's a "real" woman or a "trans" woman, it has to do with personality. Honestly, I didn't have a problem finding either a straight man or a bi man, so if you are having an issue, I'd say take a good long, honest look in the mirror. Ask yourself what parts of your personality might be causing the issue and work to change it. I don't think there is ever a question of anyone replacing anyone, after all we do want the human race to continue.

I am not having an issue at all. I was just asking a simple question, because notice they becoming pretty popular among men, well some men.

[DuckiesDarling]

"I've been reading this thread and finally have to respond. I don't think it has anything to do with whether it's a "real" woman or a "trans" woman, it has to do with personality. Honestly, I didn't have a problem finding either a straight man or a bi man, so if you are having an issue, I'd say take a good long, honest look in the mirror."

Why did you leave off that you wouldn't have a problem with a transman as a lover?

I'm personally not attracted to a transwoman in transition. I wouldn't seek out a transman but depending upon the person, it might be kewl to kiss a man and fuck his pussy. (not sure as the entire transitioning doesn't seem to appeal to me) It would depend upon the individual transwoman if they had transitioned. In that sense I partially agree with the above quote and what Jobel wrote.

Tenni, your attempt to have another guy at my cismale partner is just stupid. Grow up and worry about your own love life and I'll worry about mine. Second, this thread wasn't about transmen at all, so your attempt to derail is totally stupid. Have a nice day.

[DuckiesDarling]

I am not having an issue at all. I was just asking a simple question, because notice they becoming pretty popular among men, well some men.

Then you must be around the wrong men, sugar, because the males I know in life and most of the ones I've interacted with on this site and others would not do as you surmised.

[The Bisexual Virgin]

Then you must be around the wrong men, sugar, because the males I know in life and most of the ones I've interacted with on this site and others would not do as you surmised.

That much is obvious because we run in different circles. I was just trying to get everyone's opinion.

[ErosUrge]

I appreciate transwomen for what/who they are as I appreciate a women for what/who the are and the men for the same reason. My appetites sexually are varied this way. I prefer women over all, but will always respond to my appetite for men and trangendered....my preference with TGs being those who didn't quite go all the way with male organs still in place...
Everyone has preferences and I don't think one is any better than another; it's so subjective. The ecstasy of the moment is so important with all sexualities...

[madsci]

I'm not at all attracted to trans, I'm into the real deal.

[transcendMental]

These question has been really on my brain recently, and was wondering why do so called 'straight men' and bi men are starting to leave the real biological women behind to be with a Transwoman? Why do men hate us so much that they are looking at a transwoman to fulfill their needs? I know this might sound crazy, but within a hundred or so years, or maybe even in the near future the transgender woman might replace the real women on this planet, since men are going goo-goo gaa-gaa crazy over them, and I don't understand it.:confused:

If I sound bitchy to any transgender woman out there, please know this thread is not bashing you at all. I would like an honest answer.

This doesn't sound "bitchy" to me. It sounds nutty. I don't think you have to worry about transwomen taking over any time soon. We're still in the stage where the vast majority of society would like to see us beaten within an inch of our lives. As has been said here before, yes, a portion of the bisexual community is infatuated with the ideal of a someone who looks like a woman but with a fully functional penis (which I don't believe is true of many transwomen), but most men are not even aware that transwomen exist, and for most, if they were aware, they would be disgusted with us. I don't think it's us you need to feel threatened by.

But the line "why do men hate us so much that they are looking at a transwoman to fulfill their needs" sounds exactly like you are putting us on a level below natal women, which I do resent. Like we're so bad that if men are turning to us, they must feel absolutely disgusted with you, huh?

Well, my honest answer is that most men are not absolutely disgusted with the vast majority of women. Most men do not prefer transwomen over "real" women. If they did, laws and customs in our society would reflect much greater parity for transpeople than they currently do.

tm

[slipnslide]

These question has been really on my brain recently, and was wondering why do so called 'straight men' and bi men are starting to leave the real biological women behind to be with a Transwoman? Why do men hate us so much that they are looking at a transwoman to fulfill their needs? I know this might sound crazy, but within a hundred or so years, or maybe even in the near future the transgender woman might replace the real women on this planet, since men are going goo-goo gaa-gaa crazy over them, and I don't understand it.:confused:

If I sound bitchy to any transgender woman out there, please know this thread is not bashing you at all. I would like an honest answer.

Honest opinion? You're COMPLETELY delusional.

This is not happening.

[ckman314]

I've been with about 10 transgender woman two of them I had amazing times with and the rest it just felt mechanical. Depends on the attitude of the person and if you click if the sex is gonna be good

[PrettyFlowingGown]

Transwoman for me. I love women, but dont love pussy. Never liked oral sex on a woman. I prefer a beautiful woman with a beautiful penis below, more to play with, suck on, etc.

[open2both]

Ok...
Given a choice between a gorgeous tranny (non-op) and a gorgeous "normal" lady...
I'll take the penis.
There ya' go.

[cbb83]

It has nothing to do with women, don't think it's you. A person's preferences are their own and are going to be the result of their wants, thoughts, desires, and needs, and neither womanhood or maleness means jack diddly compared to that.

Don't take it personally :)

[ExSailor]

I'm partnered to a biological woman and have been for decades. While I have met TS/TG women I have never had sex with any of them or dated any. When I have sex with a woman I want her to have an actual vagina, and not a penis or a penis that's had cosmetic surgery to make it look like a vagina.

[cuttin2dachase]

I prefer real women, str8 or bi, over men, period. But I know that the next best thing to being with a woman is to be with a man. I am not interested in str8 men. My definite preference in men is bi married men. No offense to gay men or single bi men, but bi married men are the best (and kinkiest) male lovers and they carry no baggage or drama. We meet for romance and sex and kink with no lovestrings. That being said...to be with a crossdressing bi married man is a double turn on for me. I've never been with a TG woman or man, but I think I'd enjoy it.

[*pan*]

for me being a 50/50 bisexual man i love sex with woman and men sometimes i like a smooth bottom male sometimes a hairy top guy, never been with a transexual but would be more then willing to play with one. as they would be smooth and feminine but as for choosing one over the other no i would not. for me it is more of a feminine masculin thing. and not the equiptment one has. sometimes i need feminine in a woman or a man and visa versa. i tend to love people for what they are and not what they have does this make sense to anyone else lol

[transcendMental]

The people who say they want a "real" woman, and those who say they'd like to "try" a transwoman are interesting.

If you mean you'd prefer a woman with a pussy to a woman with a cock, I get that; if you mean you'd like to try a woman with a cock, I get that.

But if a transwoman is post-op, and is truly female-brained, you may well never know the difference between that transwoman and a "real" woman. In personality, and in physicality for sexual purposes, we are pretty much like cis women. To say you'd prefer a "real" vagina over a penis that's been surgically corrected to "look like" a vagina (it actually becomes a vagina) suggests to me either that you don't realize how good surgical outcomes are, or that you have a deep discomfort with the concept of what a transperson is.

If you're talking about having sex, or a date (as opposed to a longterm relationship where you may want children), I guess I just don't see what there is to prefer or to disdain in a (post-op) transwoman vs. a cis woman.

:2cents: tm

[Thong lvr]

Thats a very interesting question. I am a bisexual man who also likes to crossdress. My wife of 34 years knows and supports my feelings. We had seperated a couple years ago, not due to anything sexual, and have been back together now for a while and get along wonderfully. while seperated I met a TG on this forum. We dated for a few months and to this day are good friends. For me for that short time, my TG girlfriend satisfied alot of things. As a person she understood me, my feelings. Having once been a man she got it. The sex part was even better, satisfiing so many desires. I missed my wife and we got back together. But in all honesty, I missed her for the life we had built together and not because she was "pure" women.

[cbj4162]

i have never met a transwoman so, i will reserve opinion until then .....

[transcendMental]

drugstore cowboy, I'm sorry you've had some disappointing experiences. All I can say, I guess, is that there is as much diversity among post-op transwomen as there is among cis women. Some lubricate quite adequately; some cis women hardly lubricate at all. Well over half of post-op transwomen figure out how to orgasm (there's a learning curve to it), if they've had a competent surgeon; I've heard figures that suggest that a smaller percentage of cis women do; certainly not all do. As with cis women, some have deep vaginas, some are more shallow.

But to say that it's a shame that a transwoman who was born with a large penis had surgery sounds like the height of selfishness to me. It didn't serve your purposes as well, so it's a shame? Chances are pretty good that regardless of how you feel about it, she's happier with her vagina than she was with a large penis, not necessarily because the vagina is better, but because it matches her mind and self-image better.

You sound pretty confident of your assertions about transpeople, yet you also sound completely ignorant of their reality. You say "while transpeople may claim to feel like a certain gender" - ok, if we don't then why exactly do you think we turn our lives and bodies upside down in order to become the opposite sex of what we were born? That I know of, not one of us claims to feel what it is like to menstruate or to have childbirth, but if that is part of your criteria for "feeling what it is like to occupy a woman's body", then a large number of cis women are apparently also unfamiliar with what it is like to occupy a woman's body.

But you seem overly fixated on the body. What makes us feel like women is our brains. There is a large and growing body of biological evidence that transsexualism is a brain structure difference: a MtF's brain is structured as a female's brain, whereas a FtM's brain is structured as a male's brain. This mismatch between brain structure and body structure (which has been found in a great number of mammalian species, also corresponding to similar cross-gender/sex traits) is what causes the gender dysphoria and makes us want to transition. If you want to deny the biological evidence, that is your cis privilege: I cannot deny it, because I have experienced it. But I'd like to hear your alternate theory.

I'm not sure who all you are hearing your mantra from. The transwomen I know would never claim to be a man at all, let alone more man than you. It sounds like an immature assertion designed to pump up their self-confidence. We don't all buy into it.

[sglbi3]

As a bi male, i think the reason men are starting to prefer a good transexual woman is that they are more caring, dress the way men like to see women dress, are more open and apt to do things with others that women won't do. My preference is a woman that likes to top, suck and be sucked and is into 3somes of any kind.

[BiCplAz]

TS's are the best of both worlds:bigrin:

[straddle]

As a bisexual male I enjoy the convenient one stop shopping of transsexual porn, but in real life I am into real people that are fun and interesting, regardless of their bits.

[darkeyes]

Reading much of this thread I wonder very often just how many guys understand what being transgendered is and how much of an effort they make trying to learn..... but then it's not just this thread that's made me wonder 'bout those questions..

[tenni]

Reading much of this thread I wonder very often just how many guys understand what being transgendered is and how much of an effort they make trying to learn..... but then it's not just this thread that's made me wonder 'bout those questions..

Darkeyes
Many/most men can not really understand what it is like to be a woman let alone a transwoman. ;) I am wondering if you are referring to men empathizing with transwomen and the difficult challenges that they may experience? I am not sure that your expectations are reasonable. If a cisman wants to have a real relationship with a transwoman (especially in transition) they need to go beyond a sexual fantasy just as they need to go beyond lusting after a generic big busted woman as a fantasy. Men rarely know the effort that such a big busted women must deal with(back pain, knee damage etc. ) I know the issues behind big busted women because several women in my family are in that life and have needed operations. (let alone the cost of "special" bras).

Some/a lot of guys who say that they want to have sex with a transwoman in transition really just want a sex act as they might have with a man or woman. Pure and raw sexual lust is at the core and not relating to a transwoman and her life challenges. They don't have any empathy for hook ups with anyone. Its raw sex or fantasy.

[darkeyes]

Darkeyes
Many/most men can not really understand what it is like to be a woman let alone a transwoman. ;) I am wondering if you are referring to men empathizing with transwomen and the difficult challenges that they may experience? I am not sure that your expectations are reasonable. If a cisman wants to have a real relationship with a transwoman (especially in transition) they need to go beyond a sexual fantasy just as they need to go beyond lusting after a generic big busted woman as a fantasy. Men rarely know the effort that such a big busted women must deal with(back pain, knee damage etc. ) I know the issues behind big busted women because several women in my family are in that life and have needed operations. (let alone the cost of "special" bras).

Some/a lot of guys who say that they want to have sex with a transwoman in transition really just want a sex act as they might have with a man or woman. Pure and raw sexual lust is at the core and not relating to a transwoman and her life challenges. They don't have any empathy for hook ups with anyone. Its raw sex or fantasy.
Just as u can't imagine being a woman, trans or otherwise, I cant imagine being a man in the same way.. but I learn, try and empathise and don't use them simply as objects of desire.. occasionally I have seen pics of transwomen I have been attracted to and have met two who stirred me the same way.. but I tend more to intellectualise about them not as objects of sexual desire but to try and understand them and what they go through in their lives. That i will never be able to fully understand isn't the point.. but that I try is what is important and can empathise with them as human beings.. I don't think it is unreasonable for people to make the effort to try and understand and empathise with the transgendered, men or women, and not simply consider them as something which is a dream merely for fucking. They are people too and far too many forget that.. women too in their own way, but principally it is men that ogle them as the sex object of legend.. Some men can and empathise with transwomen.. transmen for that matter, but far too few even bother to make the effort.. and these pages are full of them going back a long, long way...

[tenni]

"I don't think it is unreasonable for people to make the effort to try and understand and empathise with the transgendered, men or women, and not simply consider them as something which is a dream merely for fucking."

I agree with you in principle but also know men. We are sexually driven beyond our ability to empathize. It is not nice but dicks do rule over empathy for some men at certain stages of their life and in particular sexual acts and fantasies. That's a reality and needs to be accepted just as transpeople are in the wrong body that doesn't match their mind. There is no one side is better and men are bad animals etc. for not empathizing with transpeople. At a different stage of a man's life he may evolve and should to be able to contemplate what you express. Without seeing transpeople as human, that just is not part of western culture or maybe male culture to see things the ways that you do.

[darkeyes]

"I don't think it is unreasonable for people to make the effort to try and understand and empathise with the transgendered, men or women, and not simply consider them as something which is a dream merely for fucking."

I agree with you in principle but also know men. We are sexually driven beyond our ability to empathize. It is not nice but dicks do rule over empathy for some men at certain stages of their life and in particular sexual acts and fantasies. That's a reality and needs to be accepted just as transpeople are in the wrong body that doesn't match their mind. There is no one side is better and men are bad animals etc. for not empathizing with transpeople. At a different stage of a man's life he may evolve and should to be able to contemplate what you express. Without seeing transpeople as human, that just is not part of western culture or maybe male culture to see things the ways that you do.
*laffs*.. tenni, what u say sounds remarkably similar to the stereotypical attitude of men to women and I don't think it washes.. that men think differently from women when it comes to sex I don't demur, or in how they consider the objects of their desires, but it doesn't excuse any man from trying to gain empathy for anyone... most men aren't stereotypical either but sometimes posts on .com do very often make me question my judgement on that. and of all posts, their posts on the issue of the transgendered.... I have some understanding of men.. not enough but some, and enough to know that on a bisexual site it is likely that in respect of the transgendered, the attitudes of bisexual men will often be more stereotypical than elsewhere and than I would prefer, but I neither like it or excuse it when it is not accompanied by some semblance of empathy and at least some hint of an effort at understanding.... I do accept in part what u say about men (possibly) evolving empathy in time but considering the age demographic of .com and members contributions and content, sadly, I'm afraid that the jury remains out on that one...

[tenni]

Well darkeyes the one of few reasons why bisexual men may act more as men(pfft to the stereotype when it has truth) and perceive transwomen as sex objects rather than the person may be due to the stage of being a bisexual man. If a man acknowledges and verbalizes his bisexuality for some of the first times it comes out as more raw sexual energy than he might be at after being more aware of his sexuality for years. Then again, it just might be the individual men. Men, stereotypically, are not encouraged to be empathetic in their upbringing as much as women. After all, we are lesser mortals according to someone...te he he ;)

[darkeyes]

After all, we are lesser mortals according to someone...te he he ;)
So true tenni.. tee hee.. just make sure ya remember it... am off 2 me bed now.. if I respond it will b tomoz sometime..:bigrin:

[The Bisexual Virgin]

Why are men saying that bio women are loosing their femininity, and most transsexuals and shemales can do a better job at being a woman? As a woman it gets real frustrating when I hear that shemale or transsexual looks better than a real woman, when in reality they look like a regular woman. It's like people want us to compete or something, and we sould apsire to look like them, because men are not satisfied with us anymore. But that's an observation I have notice over the internet.

As a bi male, i think the reason men are starting to prefer a good transexual woman is that they are more caring, dress the way men like to see women dress, are more open and apt to do things with others that women won't do. My preference is a woman that likes to top, suck and be sucked and is into 3somes of any kind.

[csrakate]

Why are men saying that bio women are loosing their femininity, and most transsexuals and shemales can do a better job at being a woman? As a woman it gets real frustrating when I hear that shemale or transsexual looks better than a real woman, when in reality they look like a regular woman. It's like people want us to compete or something, and we sould apsire to look like them, because men are not satisfied with us anymore. But that's an observation I have notice over the internet.

As a bi male, i think the reason men are starting to prefer a good transexual woman is that they are more caring, dress the way men like to see women dress, are more open and apt to do things with others that women won't do. My preference is a woman that likes to top, suck and be sucked and is into 3somes of any kind.
That was one man's opinion. Don't make the mistake of lumping all men together. You are far too young to so cynical. Allow yourself to meet the right men and stop making generalizations. Not only are doing a disservice to men but you are also limiting options for yourself.

[darkeyes]

Why are men saying that bio women are loosing their femininity, and most transsexuals and shemales can do a better job at being a woman? As a woman it gets real frustrating when I hear that shemale or transsexual looks better than a real woman, when in reality they look like a regular woman. It's like people want us to compete or something, and we sould apsire to look like them, because men are not satisfied with us anymore. But that's an observation I have notice over the internet.


Men may say all sorts of things but there are as many opinions as there are men. They all have their own opinion just as women do... don't fret so. Kate is right.. listen to her... and the part I have emboldened? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and men like women will be attracted to what and who they fancy... and if u think the internet is an accurate picture of real life I think u need to review your knowledge of the internet... finally, the comment about Transgendered women? They may not have been born women but fully transitioned transwomen would most likely take great umbrage at an inference that they are not real women... and men, like women are satisfied with what satisfies them.. some like and prefer transwomen, some prefer natural born women.. some prefer men.. some like 2 out of 3, and some all 3... no need to get ur knickers in a twist about it... it's 21st century life... and a dose of healthy competition never did anyone any harm....

[simplexity]

regardless of the reasons a person may be with a transwoman, whether it's a fetish or whatever, to say that a man who only wants a transwoman for her parts isn't respecting her as a woman seems a bit off the mark. Regardless of how u treat your lovers, u want what u want. if you are in a relationship and say u are turned on by cocks, then if the person u are with doesn't have one, that's gonna be a problem. If you love women, and also love sex with a transwoman too, it may get confusing. I do find the idea of a woman (biological woman) with a penis very much a turn on. Some blame porn for how we perceive transwomen, but a lot of the porn I've seen shows people who aren't that attractive (maybe I'm going to the wrong site) Just as with gay porn I've never really found any of that a turn on because it doens't fit into how I would act in the same situation. I do cross dress, and would want to be dominated..but in m/m porn it's usually just two naked guys going at it. I then started looking at playgirl videos as they tend to be more geared towards women, so the women in the videos are not the main focus. In straight porn once a woman takes her bra off, the camera stays on her, so that is why I think women do not get into porn as much. Even if I were not bi I would want to see a scene that would be more realistic. Something on the lines of two people who actually seem like they are into each other. Same goes for lesbian porn, sometimes they look as if they are just going through the motions, and other times they look as if they are enjoying themselves. But the bottom line is, it's what turns you on that matters. It's possible to find a woman that u can totally relate to but if she's not doing it for u sexually, it's not going to work out. I remember hearing on a tv program one of the commentators said that w hat it boils down to is what gets your dick hard. Is it biological women, biological men, or a combination of both. I think if women (especially really attractive women, who aren't masculine) were more open to a bisexual man and his desires (at leasat in understanding him and his desires) more men would be comfortable with biological women. But most women seem to either be disgusted by bi men or too confused on how to deal with them to actually forge a relationship with him. I'd love to find a biological woman who is cool with my crossdressing and my bi tendencies, someone who I can share my thoughts with. But, it seems there are very few if any of those types of women around.

[Kink-in-LA]

I'm a "straight" man. I carry myself that way. Its my nature. Tonight I went to my first TS bar/club. It was great. No I like biological women feminine and petite. I wasn't ready to walk in and actually do double-takes at how pretty these T-girls are. I had to talk to one. They were the sweetest things.

Now I know I want to have a sexual experience with a T-Girl. Mind you I've never had anal intercourse with a man, only oral and hand. There were men there and T-Girls that weren't very femme and I wasn't attracted to them, but the really pretty girls I was.

I love sex with women, but variety is the spice of life.

[ErosUrge]

I have been fascinated with transgendered women for a very long time now. Yes, physically no doubt but have learned much more about them as people. What you will find is that a great many of them have always felt like a female their entire life and biologically are more feminine without taking hormones. The one thing that separates them from being totally women is a cock and balls. And many people are inclined to say and do say that because of that very reason, they can't be taken seriously for feeling female. They live their lives as women. And you will find that many of them, perhaps even a majority of them, look, sound, and carry themselves as women in every way. Of course they're aware that they are equipped with male sexual organs, but their acitivity and response during sex is more like a woman than a man except when they're doing the fucking. I accept them at their word when they say they have always felt like a woman. And though many of them take hormones and many have breast implants, there are some that don't go this route. And interestingly, they are very much like women. For anyone who has looked through porn films of TG sex, there are many who if they never took their dresses off, you'd not be able to decipher they weren't completely women. And yes, there are some that you can certainly see the male in them more than the female. Still, I believe they deserve respect as human beings.
Now to answer the question: No, bi men don't generally prefer TG women to women, but like anything else, some do. Every human being has what attracts and appeals to them and so to generalize that bi men prefer TG women is a misinformed comment when put into a generalization.

[NjbiGuy01]

I'm a bisexual man and I've only ever had sex, dated, and even married a biological woman or real woman as you wrote. Most straight men are just into biological women and don't want to have sex with or date a TG/TS woman at all.

Well, speak for yourself....lol. :) I do mainly enjoy sex with women. I do enjoy sex with men. I certainly do enjoy sex with both at the same time. While I have enjoyed sex with men on men on a few occasions, I do seem to prefer a MFM trio of all the options. A transwomen (assuming you mean a man converted to a woman with breasts and penis removed) makes no sense to me. It might for others, but why would I want that if I could get an actual real woman ?? That's just me, I'm sure some feel otherwise. As long as I can remember, I've always fantasized about a true hermaphrodite or a passable TS "fooling me". On a date, having fun, get in bed and discover the "surprise" beneath the sheets. Not actively seeking it out, but it certainly might be cool...of-course that's different than a transwoman. I don't really know if hermaphrodites truly, really, exist. I've seen some believable porno's, and I suspect there are some out there, but I imagine the number is small. Seems most get surgery as children, which I guess (as a parent) is the logical or most common solution. I think some of the hotter porn guy-chicks (for example Baily Jay http://ts-baileyjay.com/ ), really make a convincing argument that there is fun to found playing with a "gal" like that......yummy ! Anyway, back on topic.....

[darkeyes]

Well, speak for yourself....lol. :)... why would I want that if I could get an actual real woman ?? That's just me, I'm sure some feel otherwise. As long as I can remember, I've always fantasized about a true hermaphrodite or a passable TS "fooling me". On a date, having fun, get in bed and discover the "surprise" beneath the sheets. Not actively seeking it out, but it certainly might be cool...of-course that's different than a transwoman. .
No reason u should.. but Transwomen don't go through transition to get laid.. they go through it to be true to what they are and live as their heart and mind tells them.. some guys like some don't.. some transwomen won't touch a guy with a bargepole sexually so they have their preferences too.. being a fully transitioned transwoman isn't about sex and getting laid.. it is about being... sex and getting laid if it comes along and they have a whale of a time.. well.. that's just the icing on the cake...:) a bit like sex and getting laid for the rest of us...:tongue:

[SatinaTV]

I agree Tgirls are really poping up everywhere more and more I'm just a TV not a TS But I look pretty good and guys hit on me all the time But I'm bi only with other tgirls and still prefer women sexually so its hard for me to always find perfect matches,,But guys out there tell me they like us tgirls because we dress over top sexy and do our nails etc always wear heels and then lots say they like whats between our legs so they usaully cover it all when I ask...Does this shed some light sweetie?

[robin ta laye]

First i'd like to say this to those who bashed on the "Bisexual Virgin" fuck you if you cant take a joke, she asked a question and for opinions about the question, precisely what a forum is for, if she needed to be abused then she would have asked for that instead. Learn to read and maybe try to follow instructions, doing otherwise only prooves we all came from monkees and that your still closer to original than the rest of us, get a grip on your anger or at least pay enough attention to stay in your own lane.

[bifemme]

I'm a ciswoman and I prefer transwomen and ciswomen to men. Go figure. You shouldn't worry what others are attracted to though. There plenty of reasons why one wouldn't date me.

[Jakentn]

When it comes to men I prefer them masculine, so I have not had much attraction to TS or even CD's.

[maxtor]

i have always been attracted to trans women and would have partnered with a nice trans years ago but as it was the the military, you couldnt have same sex so that put a quite to that. i would have partnered and stayed with them if the military would have changed it policy a long time ago. i have alwasy fantisised about having a trans woman with the hidden benefits which would have been right up my alley, pun intended for sure. i would have always wanted one that lived as a woman 24/7 and had a happy life with a partner with benefits..i still would for sure.

[CALL4ME]

Dear Virgin ---

I am not sure that all bisexual men prefer trannies, but there is a large number that do. I suspect that there are number of reasons.

First, the average trannie takes much better care of herself that most women. They spend more time on the perfect make-up; more time maintainng their bodies; and the boob jobs they need are really superior to what most natural women can offer. True, the boobs are a bit harder and not as jiggly, but they are gorgeous and certainly big enough to slide a cock between when needed. Even when dressed, trannies have great cleavage and the kind of chest other men take notice of. I don't care is it's Marilyn Monroe or Jenny the Trannie, men love that kind of woman on their arm. Trannies spend more time looking hot for their date.

Second, for the most part, older men prefer trannies because it satisfies latent homosexual urges while satisfying their regular heterosexual urges. A trannie present the best of both worlds and is more psychologially more satisfying. Older women tend to turn away from sex on a regular basis. Older men need means of satisfying or sublimating their urges and trannies, alway sexually active, are there. Trannies are also more likely to participate in 3-or-moresomes where the average wife absolutely will not.

Third, trannies can do for men what women have a more difficult time doing --- truly pleasing men. Why? Because men know what men like (physically/sexually) better than women do; as the same goes for woman to woman. (I know what I like so this guy is going to like the same; and I am going to give it to him.)

Fourth, men can look at trannies as technically not women. Sex with a man is not seen as cheating on your wife in the same way that fucking you neighbor's 23 year old beauty queen is. (And you do not run the risk of being shot by an irate husband.) M2T sex is seen as morally less repugnant (as is M2M sex) than M2F sex outside marriage. So, ladies, should you decide against servicing your man on a regular basis and in a manner he likes, you will know where he is and what he's doing when he is out with the boys bowling.

The sad part is that there are so few trannies around. Demand is much greater than supply. So, older men are attracted to much youger men --- twinks, sissies, etc --- to get close to the trannie experience although seldom make it to the real thing.

My ideal experience --- me, a bisexual man, a tranny, and a woman.

[The Bisexual Virgin]

i have always been attracted to trans women and would have partnered with a nice trans years ago but as it was the the military, you couldnt have same sex so that put a quite to that. i would have partnered and stayed with them if the military would have changed it policy a long time ago. i have alwasy fantisised about having a trans woman with the hidden benefits which would have been right up my alley, pun intended for sure. i would have always wanted one that lived as a woman 24/7 and had a happy life with a partner with benefits..i still would for sure.

Whats stopping you now?

[The Bisexual Virgin]

Dear Virgin ---

I am not sure that all bisexual men prefer trannies, but there is a large number that do. I suspect that there are number of reasons.

1.First, the average trannie takes much better care of herself that most women. They spend more time on the perfect make-up; more time maintainng their bodies; and the boob jobs they need are really superior to what most natural women can offer. True, the boobs are a bit harder and not as jiggly, but they are gorgeous and certainly big enough to slide a cock between when needed. Even when dressed, trannies have great cleavage and the kind of chest other men take notice of. I don't care is it's Marilyn Monroe or Jenny the Trannie, men love that kind of woman on their arm. Trannies spend more time looking hot for their date.

Second, for the most part, older men prefer trannies because it satisfies latent homosexual urges while satisfying their regular heterosexual urges. A trannie present the best of both worlds and is more psychologially more satisfying. Older women tend to turn away from sex on a regular basis. Older men need means of satisfying or sublimating their urges and trannies, alway sexually active, are there. Trannies are also more likely to participate in 3-or-moresomes where the average wife absolutely will not.

Third, trannies can do for men what women have a more difficult time doing --- truly pleasing men. Why? Because men know what men like (physically/sexually) better than women do; as the same goes for woman to woman. (I know what I like so this guy is going to like the same; and I am going to give it to him.)

3.Fourth, men can look at trannies as technically not women. Sex with a man is not seen as cheating on your wife in the same way that fucking you neighbor's 23 year old beauty queen is. (And you do not run the risk of being shot by an irate husband.) M2T sex is seen as morally less repugnant (as is M2M sex) than M2F sex outside marriage. So, ladies, should you decide against servicing your man on a regular basis and in a manner he likes, you will know where he is and what he's doing when he is out with the boys bowling.

The sad part is that there are so few trannies around. Demand is much greater than supply. So, older men are attracted to much youger men --- twinks, sissies, etc --- to get close to the trannie experience although seldom make it to the real thing.

2.My ideal experience --- me, a bisexual man, a tranny, and a woman.

And regular women don't take better care of themselves? And why would you need a woman if a tranny is all you need in a partner?

And no matter how you put it cheating is still cheating.