Is Chat Finished?

[jamieknyc]

I have heard a rumor that the chat has been discontinued permanently. Is that true? Any word from Drew?

[FUNTIME3]

I hope is not gone !!!!! Have no heard a thing

[curioustradesman]

I haven't heard a thing but its been down so long I would have to assume its done. Anyone know where to go chat?

[chuck1124]

If chat is gone for good, there, really, is no reason to come to this site. Chat was the best part of this site. I will miss it. Does anyone know of another bisexual site that has chat?

[DesertRat]

I think I want to hear something official before jumping ship. Not hearing anything of course doesn't bode well either. Is the site as a whole going to shrivel up and die or is it being maintained

[Meliss]

I have wondered if the people who paid Drew are still able to make private rooms like they were able to before and perhaps only the free portion has been discontinued.

[nomorenomore]

Then again, Drew might be on vacation somewhere and not aware there is even an issue. Patience.

[Yoyome100]

Looks like Drew was last on Sep. 11th.

[guynice]

Could it be that they're not making enough money to keep this site going? I wonder how many people ever contribute to this excellent web site.

[seagrit]

Could it be that they're not making enough money to keep this site going? I wonder how many people ever contribute to this excellent web site.

There is another site which u can find chat rooms which is on lushstories.com. All different chat rooms which I think people here would enjoy.

[Maybhere]

There seems to be a migration going on. You would think the powers to be would quiet rumors but that doesn't seem to be happening. Ignoring the issue is fine but they still need to satisfy CCBill with member count. This site does not purge members that leave. Do some research.

[openandcurious]

I suppose I'll give it another couple of days before leaving the site for good.

[latopdad]

Yes I agree. It'll be a shame.

[jem_is_bi]

I have not been active in chat. But, I do not think this site will survive without it. Just look at the decline in people on site when you login.

[Cursubm]

Seems strange that we have not heard from Drew for so long. I hope Drew is okay.

[12voltyV2.0]

It kind of seemed that for a time---they were trying to give the site a "kick in the pants" but that soon faded, then it was like the site basically got abandoned for all practical purposes save it finally disappearing.

I have only been going online periodically with my computer due to traveling, and my using a tablet to get online---which just didn't seem to work on here at all----it sure could not chat but I know that chat has been down for at least two weeks now. It does not seem that any attempt to bring it back up has been made. If this is the end of the site--even though its had its ups and downs, that I have been coming here for nine years now--must mean I do like it and will be sorry to see it go. If this is the end of the line for this site and one day soon it totally goes away---goodbye to everyone, good luck in your life and hopefully we can find somewhere else to go as an online community.

[Sensualhunter]

I miss chat :( I do hope it is not the end of it.

[Isitfun]

I think it's been at least 3 weeks. Is that about right?

[Plumhead2]

I was once on a sexually oriented website for a number of years and then it went out of existence. However the site owners were nice enough to find another closely related site and migrated all of us who wanted to move to go there before the original site went out of business. That way we could stay in contact with all the friends we had made. I wonder if that could happen here.

[onewhocares]

Hello All,

I have not been very active in nearly year. Much has been going on in my life. Mother in Law moved to elderly housing, husband found job in the city and is moving there for the winter. I am doing well but have to have a new knee. I am giving this update because I have been SO lucky to have found this site which changed my life nearly ten years ago. I hope this site continues, if it does not, anyone interested can email me at twowhocare@Comcast.net.

Belle

[Isitfun]

Hello all... Is there another good relatively anonymous site to go to?

[12voltyV2.0]

Hello all... Is there another good relatively anonymous site to go to?


I don't know of any myself---I hope that we can find one. I don't really have time right now to go and do too much searching for one--but will start looking as time allows and share if I do find one----I hope others will do the same.

[AGuyIKnow]

I only found this site just a few weeks ago. This was exactly what I was looking for but was a little disappointed that the active membership seemed be slowly dwindling over the last year. This was the top site in my search that had a decent forum. Not sure where everyone has been going to but I'd like to know.

[SargeRay.USMC]

I tried Lushstories.com this morning- actually chatted w seagrit- Not as easy to move around as bisexual.com.

Will keep checking back here.

[Coastocoast]

In recent times the site has been plagued by trolls and those who over post. I never understood why administrators for other sites limited new member posting privileges until now. When you see members seriously dominating the board in the first days of joining older members lose interest in the site due to the loss of diversity. The site may survive but it is circling the drain and in danger at the moment.

[jem_is_bi]

In recent times the site has been plagued by trolls and those who over post. I never understood why administrators for other sites limited new member posting privileges until now. When you see members seriously dominating the board in the first days of joining older members lose interest in the site due to the loss of diversity. The site may survive but it is circling the drain and in danger at the moment. I do not feel that way about new members exuberance. They inject some life into discussions and will eventually calm down or go viral and get banned.

[void()]

I only found this site just a few weeks ago. This was exactly what I was looking for but was a little disappointed that the active membership seemed be slowly dwindling over the last year. This was the top site in my search that had a decent forum. Not sure where everyone has been going to but I'd like to know.

Many have gone to living lives away from computing. In fairness there are a good few who do computing as daily professional work, or have it entrenched in their work. This leaves these folks with a need of unplugging and enjoying life.

There are others, like myself, who drift away as life calls as well. I get busy with odd jobs for the home, family. Recently a big project has been some major landscaping, now hand done landscaping, and preparing to attain city water. Also been helping with mowing, firewood. *chuckles* <sarcasm> Of course, I also make time to clean, sight in and keep in practice with all my many guns. </sarcasm>

Also, some of us more seasoned site haunts, well, we see the site's player piano script rolling round and round. That is to say, we've seen and participated in a lot of various threads here what seem to continually repeat. We just don't see need, have desire to offer rehashes of so oft repeated discourse. This is not meant as an attack, or being rude. Search engines exist for a purpose, you can search this site adequately with Google for instance and find your question or one very near it in the archives. Again, not an attack or meant as rude.

So we frequent haunts do that, we haunt, lurk at times. Sometimes we do read, we do respond, sometimes. ;) If you do any fishing you'll understand this simple analogy. We're like the big lunker bass, you just got to entice us, catch the right wind, hope we're in the right mood to read and respond. :) Please don't be offended if it seems you are ignored. You may not be being ignored but rather brushed by in swimming with the stream of living. It honestly is nothing personal.

Then you have a group what are gone because of various reasons in regards to the site. Some leave because of membership issues brought on at the first of the year. A few leave because the chat is down a lot. Some get ruffled over differing opinions, ideas and leave. And yeah, unfortunately some leave because life leaves them. :( I guess ultimately you could say life draws us here and away as it needs, desires. We are but its humbled servants. :grouphug::love1: Be welcome here though. If you have troubles, Drew is the Big Cheese. That's not saying you go hollering at him over a hang nail, but he is always around if truly needed. :) He is sweetheart and a fair guy too. :) :love87:Luvs ya Drew. :)

Well, that life thing ... *ambles off chuckling*

[void()]

Could it be that they're not making enough money to keep this site going? I wonder how many people ever contribute to this excellent web site.

Drew has other web sites which are highly commercial ventures. These sites provide adult entertainment which fares very well bringing in revenue. Running a now half paid, half free site like this one would not be a gross financial burden. Even running the site as a free site would not be a burden given he has, or is party to about three other revenue generating sites if I recall correctly.

Most of the software used in the technical aspects of hosting this site is freely available with open source license. This means he can pay nearly nothing for the software, or maybe even nothing. Offer some extra benefits to a volunteer web designer, volunteer coder for the programming aspects, it is feasible all he would need to pay for is hardware, domain registration, bandwidth. These costs are still reasonably affordable as far as I'm aware. And the volunteers of course could work part time, maybe even as a team of three or four designers and three or four coders.

Having knowledge of the designing, hosting aspects is part of why I chose remaining a free member. Why pay for what can be created and done freely? That is not say I do not appreciate the time and work Drew does here. I genuinely do appreciate it. I am merely looking at it objectively and realistically, seeing no need to paid for added features which I really would not use much anyway. But YMMV and this is only mho, not saying I'm correct or even seeing the whole picture.

[lizard-lix]

Chat here on bisexual.com was hosted by OpenChat (which I use myself on a private website). Openchat was completely down and off the air when the chat here failed (I had come here to see if it was just me or if it had failed here too). OPenchat went back up about 2 days later, so no clue why it i not back up here... Openchat is not inexpensive for the level we had here.

But I guess we wait for Drew

[Hypersexual11]

I wonder if the drop here has much to do with the chat program. I don't use it much and it's not because I don't like to chat, I love to. Here it seems the main room is just a select few people. I have tried to get involved, I have seen others put out something and it's like the room turns it's back on whomever wants to join the club. The private chat is pretty good but most people I chat with here seem to be balancing their books, cooking dinner, watching tv, and oh yea, chatting. I'm stuck here, in front of my pc, waiting.

Anyway, I've been looking around for another site. If you aren't graphic in posts and are just starting to discover this part of yourself, I suggest shybiguy.com . It's moderated pretty heavy so if you judge or are vulgar, they ban you. No chat there last time looked but great support for bi curious guys.

[pole_smoker]

I wonder if the drop here has much to do with the chat program. I don't use it much and it's not because I don't like to chat, I love to. Here it seems the main room is just a select few people. I have tried to get involved, I have seen others put out something and it's like the room turns it's back on whomever wants to join the club. The private chat is pretty good but most people I chat with here seem to be balancing their books, cooking dinner, watching tv, and oh yea, chatting. I'm stuck here, in front of my pc, waiting.

Anyway, I've been looking around for another site. If you aren't graphic in posts and are just starting to discover this part of yourself, I suggest shybiguy.com . It's moderated pretty heavy so if you judge or are vulgar, they ban you. No chat there last time looked but great support for bi curious guys.
That's why I don't chat on this site either. I did try but did not really get into it.

[12voltyV2.0]

I am thinking that the chat room problem is not really the problem of this site, but of the software company that makes it----another site I go to---they use this same system as well and it is also having problems with the software so their chat is not working either.

Let us hope that this is the case and whatever problems they are having with the chat software gets fixed soon.

[void()]

Chat here on bisexual.com was hosted by OpenChat (which I use myself on a private website). Openchat was completely down and off the air when the chat here failed (I had come here to see if it was just me or if it had failed here too). OPenchat went back up about 2 days later, so no clue why it i not back up here... Openchat is not inexpensive for the level we had here.

But I guess we wait for Drew

Your post got me thinking about finding an affordable, or freely available open source chat software for the site. Not sure how much Open Chat costs as I have not yet looked.

[1 (http://www.flexytalk.com/)] Flexy Talk has an unlimited free subscription, their lowest cost paid subscription runs $4.00 monthly.
[2 (http://www.estreamchat.com/default.htm)] eStreamChat can be licensed for around $500 for a site, and is actually open source. It also appears to be actively developed.
[3 (https://www.zopim.com/pricing)] Zopim seems geared more toward being a help desk type of chat, although I'm sure it could be used as a generic chat. They start at a free plan for two weeks, then their lowest package is billable at $14 monthly.
[4 (http://oggchat.com/)] Oggchat seems like it would require one to use their second rung plan, at $29 monthly to be of use given the situation here. Still less than $500 annually.

Of course, it has to be considered which services, as in the company and not the software, will allow use for adult sites. I recall this was an issue of some concern during the upgrading. That and one has to consider if the sites would require credit card check on chatters, for age verification. If they would, it is likely some would be hesitant using the chat. Drew would not be the one in control over such a process and that would an issue. Not that Drew necessarily has need to be in absolute control, however if he does not have control over that process it lends to questioning trust all the way around. And yes I understand professionals are professionals and all that jazz, I also understand it only takes one rotten apple.

At any given I have offered a list of services I found with a few minutes of looking. Hopefully, the site can soon retain a decent chat aspect. My suggested list here is simply that, suggestions to be taken or left as desired. I am not endorsing any of these nor condemning any either. This is only spit-balling in hopes to be of help.

I rarely used the newer chat. It felt off to me when I did use it but that is simply mho.

[void()]

I am thinking that the chat room problem is not really the problem of this site, but of the software company that makes it----another site I go to---they use this same system as well and it is also having problems with the software so their chat is not working either.

Let us hope that this is the case and whatever problems they are having with the chat software gets fixed soon.

In my search for a new chat service, could only find Open Chat, not OpenChat. A forum sticky post for Open Chat suggested they had closed. I only skimmed that they had closed so won't say that is exactly what is happening/ed. Does seem that way though with a few having such trouble/s. with the service.


I am thinking that the chat room problem is not really the problem of this site. (paraphrasing)

I think that creates a very profound statement. One could speculate as to what the real problem of this site is. Not sure any speculation would be uplifting, or even constructive. That said, I have fair ideas on what may help resolving some of the aspects of the problem of the site. I will keep those private only granted to select few, discretion chosen for obvious reasons.

One issue I will present publicly is this, I feel & think the site needs further purpose. Yes, as it is it is very great that bisexuals may meet here, openly discuss bisexuality, life and sundry. But I think & feel it could be greater with a more defined purpose and without detracting from what it is, as it is. With a purpose, a zeitgeist forms and then, movement and zest, life. Without a purpose the site meanders along as an empty husk, and I do not mean that offensively but objectively.

Do I have a purpose in mind? No, apologies but I do not. That is something I choose to not overstep into out of respect. It is not my site and so I will not create a purpose for it, that is for the site owner/administrator to do. I'm sure he would not mind ideas or suggestions, but again I hesitate to overstep unless asked specifically, privately. And yes, that is something what needs asked to allow one permission to say.

What I am expressing though is a sense of lacking, movement, life, purpose to/of/for the site. I think many sense this, though I may be in error. If I am forgive me, it is an error of genuinely human and honest ignorance. I do not know a plethora of folks here now and could not hope to poll everyone. Yes, I know we can create polls. How accurate could that be though, really? Given that 90% of statistics are made up on the spot, I'm doubting it would be of great use. Even if a poll were taken, how many would accept it? So that seems a dead horse, I'll just not kick.

So, I think some if not many here feel the same as me regarding movement of the site, of this lacking. This often leads to a disconnect cognitively as we cannot quite figure out what the lacking is, as in what does it lack? And it is simply the lacking that exists to exist, so we disconnect. It is similar to walking down a street, you say hi to the first person you meet. They continue on their way without any bother of greeting you. So, you don't greet anyone after that. In thinking of it, yes, purpose is what is lacking. If a purpose is there, lacking ceases to exist.

Again, I may be whistling Dixie out my bum, may not be too. Hard to say. I leave it to who reads to figure that out for themselves. As I'm expressing an opinion here, I'll not argue back regarding it. Please don't bother trying to engage me in an argument over it. I'll just ignore you, then you too can enjoy the wonders of lacking. *chuckles* I just see no need to argue opinion. If you bring facts, I might debate those a bit with you, reasonably and moderately. Then, we can agree or agree to disagree. Beyond that, have your opinion too. I'm not saying you cannot have an opinion. I'm saying I'm not arguing mine. *chuckles* As always anyone is free to ignore me if they desire to not read my opinion. I won't be offended if you do ignore me.

[Melody Dean]

Your post got me thinking about finding an affordable, or freely available open source chat software for the site. Not sure how much Open Chat costs as I have not yet looked.

[1 (http://www.flexytalk.com/)] Flexy Talk has an unlimited free subscription, their lowest cost paid subscription runs $4.00 monthly.
[2 (http://www.estreamchat.com/default.htm)] eStreamChat can be licensed for around $500 for a site, and is actually open source. It also appears to be actively developed.
[3 (https://www.zopim.com/pricing)] Zopim seems geared more toward being a help desk type of chat, although I'm sure it could be used as a generic chat. They start at a free plan for two weeks, then their lowest package is billable at $14 monthly.
[4 (http://oggchat.com/)] Oggchat seems like it would require one to use their second rung plan, at $29 monthly to be of use given the situation here. Still less than $500 annually.

Of course, it has to be considered which services, as in the company and not the software, will allow use for adult sites. I recall this was an issue of some concern during the upgrading. That and one has to consider if the sites would require credit card check on chatters, for age verification. If they would, it is likely some would be hesitant using the chat. Drew would not be the one in control over such a process and that would an issue. Not that Drew necessarily has need to be in absolute control, however if he does not have control over that process it lends to questioning trust all the way around. And yes I understand professionals are professionals and all that jazz, I also understand it only takes one rotten apple.

At any given I have offered a list of services I found with a few minutes of looking. Hopefully, the site can soon retain a decent chat aspect. My suggested list here is simply that, suggestions to be taken or left as desired. I am not endorsing any of these nor condemning any either. This is only spit-balling in hopes to be of help.

I rarely used the newer chat. It felt off to me when I did use it but that is simply mho.

Wow, thank you for all that research! Have you emailed these to Drew? Not that I'm sure that will do much, considering he's still MIA, but if he ever comes back, the information will be in his hands.

[WebothBbi]

...and of course we read this JUST after we renewed our membership. Both my wife and I enjoyed chat.
Void you are just a plethora of knowledge on these inexpensive chat options.
Now if there was just a site that had all their components together, i.e. browsing, chat, emails, private messages, etc. then I think we would let our paid membership on here lapse and use another site more exclusively and this as a secondary one.

[WebothBbi]

Oh and while thinking about it, for those looking for another site that has a decent bi community, redclouds/voyeurweb.com is a good one. Have met all sorts of people with various interests and likes. Their bi chat was great too.

[bi4asplay]

Site has been going down drastically of late. Almost impossible to type out a message. Letters will not show up skip does not work. If the site is going away it is too bad.

[pole_smoker]

Site has been going down drastically of late. Almost impossible to type out a message. Letters will not show up skip does not work. If the site is going away it is too bad.
That's happened to me once.

If I'm going to reply to a long post I just write it in notepad or a program like it, and just copy/paste the reply in.

[Maybhere]

Oh and while thinking about it, for those looking for another site that has a decent bi community, redclouds/voyeurweb.com is a good one. Have met all sorts of people with various interests and likes. Their bi chat was great too.

Redclouds went through this same thing even before Igor went for the video chat. Late 90's or early 00's the entire site went down for over a week. Igor is out of the picture now but he busted ass getting the new site up and running. The wife and I got up at 4 every morning to help him with beta testing it. It is a much more reliable site and the folks there are pretty darn friendly. We joined it back when it first started and was a voyeur site. It has evolved over the years, had some bumps in the road but came back better from the issues. We see it as a site well worth the nominal cost.

[12voltyV2.0]

Still not working and that SUCKS!! And not the way that most of us like for sucking to be!!! :(

[jazz5]

you can try bisexualplayground.com. They have chat for members

[ISOSafe&Discreet]

I like http://www.chatropolis.com/rooms/ & have had a lot of fun there.

[void()]

Wow, thank you for all that research! Have you emailed these to Drew? Not that I'm sure that will do much, considering he's still MIA, but if he ever comes back, the information will be in his hands.

*chuckles* Kind of in his hands merely posted in the forum. His site, he has full access to read all the posts. Yes, I understand it may be good to email him. I also understand if he has gone m.i.a there may be good reason. He may be getting away from things. Why be seen to intrude?

[12voltyV2.0]

Has anyone gone to the ThreePillows site and sent a message to Drew that way? I just checked it out yesterday and he does have an email address over there. I didn't send him a message because I wanted to see if anyone had sent a message(s) to him via that site. I figure if someone had, there would be no reason for me to do so. Just wondering. I do figure that he would be more likely to respond to a message on that site than this one since it seems like he pretty has much washed his hands of us over here.

[MAPEX]

We could go to adultspace and chat in the rooms that they have you can do web cams too. you can create a bisexual room any time you want too.

[matutum]

and if u suggest another site to go to they will ban u

[pole_smoker]

Has anyone gone to the ThreePillows site and sent a message to Drew that way? I just checked it out yesterday and he does have an email address over there. I didn't send him a message because I wanted to see if anyone had sent a message(s) to him via that site. I figure if someone had, there would be no reason for me to do so. Just wondering. I do figure that he would be more likely to respond to a message on that site than this one since it seems like he pretty has much washed his hands of us over here.
I sent him a message/email about a blog entry someone else wrote that's about illegal sex, disgusting, and should not be on this site and he never replied.

This is the blog entry: http://www.bisexual.com/forum/entry.php?3301-Canine-interactions

[void()]

I sent him a message/email about a blog entry someone else wrote that's about illegal sex, disgusting, and should not be on this site and he never replied.

This is the blog entry: http://www.bisexual.com/forum/entry.php?3301-Canine-interactions

While I can see the side of the argument relax it's all just fun, don't like it move on. I also comprehend your view pole. In fact I agree with you, pole.

Sex with animals other than humans is on my no no list. Sex with anyone under the age of 21 is as well. Sex with the dead is also a no no for me. I am also not into scat play, or water sports, golden showers. And yes, I have been around a lot of various farms, lots of agricultural folk. Have heard of sex with critters but it is always a rare thing, with the perpetrators being arrested and sent off to a psych ward, if they were lucky.

Heard of one that once was not lucky. A retired state trooper told about a guy who engaged with sheep. He was booked and put in a cell with a big old bear of a guy who liked being especially rough, no lube, no spit just pin and ride all night. May sound like club med but the trooper assured me after a night with the guy, other guys needed three days in an infirmary and even then didn't quite walk right.

I am partially vegan, still enjoy eggs & dairy too much, occasionally do stumble and enjoy some meat. A lot of my reasoning comes from seeing abuse of critters, both first hand, and from videos regarding factory farming. Another part of it goes toward health concerns. It seems reducing your red meat consumption lowers your risk of heart disease/s. So, for me it is about ethics and physical health.

Well, we ought to return the thread to the chat. Hope it gets fixed soon. If not I would not be too surprised. I think Drew may have been facing external pressure regarding this site. The other party suggested in strong terms this site needed to offer revenue. If it is not doing that, may be that once something is broken, there's no rush to fix it, or to even fix it. I do not know and am not professing to know, merely speculating as it seems others do.

[Susurrus1964]

And maybe I've missed something here, but I guess one thing that would be nice is that if there was some official statement regarding this subject (chat, I mean) and/or the ultimate fate of the site. It would, at the very least, quell all the rumors and speculation...

[nomorenomore]

It is beginning to sound like the beginning of the end. I was a long time member of Tribe.net. The guy who owned that was taking all the ad dollars and pocketing it and not putting it back into the systems. He sold it off to a group who then started banning anyone who had anything to say bad about their companies. So you diss Pepsi, you were gone. You diss Cisco you were gone. People were outraged. They also took the ad revenue and left the rest. We would get messages every now and then from the guys really running things telling us that they had their hours cut, they couldn't get the hardware replaced that needed to. Basically it was dying on the vine. It was a vibrant community with all kinds of people. There were even some adult groups. Well, it really started going down and Pincus, yeah, the guy who brings you Zynga games, which also don't work half the time, well he bought it back. Then a consortium of users asked him if he would keep it running but let them manage the software. Somehow it is still up, but due to lack of funds and all the negative bull, most of the users are gone and what is left is the spammers and trolls. I had a great group on there that was very active but I left and turned it over to another guy. I was going to come back, but when I posted in the forum he deleted and told me I had no business posting in his forum, only he could. Whatever. I would say that maybe Drew was on vacation and if he is the only tech, then that could be the reason, but I have seen posts pulled by Drew. So he, or his proxy, must be around. The silence is deafening.
All that being said, I really didn't use chat much. The main room seemed cliquey. I just mostly use the messaging, and even that is light, or the forums.

[nomorenomore]

Oh, one other thing. At Tribe, they also added paid memberships. You got special add-ons, a t-shirt, etc. Part of the reason I haven't paid here yet is because of what I am seeing. I paid to Tribe and it went down. I was out the money. If the operators were being responsive and saying they were working on things, I might have paid for a membership, but with unresponsive ops, I smell Tribe all over. I am not going to give my money over so the owner can just pocket and walk.

[SargeRay.USMC]

Someone suggested Lushstories.com- has stories & chat. I finally got signed onto that & tried the chat. It is not as good (in my opinion) but OK.

Not as much real chat & communication interaction. I have seen familiar names from this site so others are going there also.
I never paid the upgrade fee to this site- was not chattin long enough to know I enjoyed. If it became necessary to pay a nominal fee annually to get this site back - I would probably consider it.

[12voltyV2.0]

For whatever its worth, I did send Drew or whoever runs the site, a message via his address at ThreePillows----I of course let him know the obvious that chat is down and asked if it was going to be brought back or not---but baring that--I asked that he or someone post a message on here as to the future of this site.

So, we will see if that gets any response and we learn the fate/future of the site one way or the other.

[cbb83]

If no one can contact Drew, who's running the site?

[_Joe_]

Nobody is!

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[AGuyIKnow]

This site seems to be finely starting to pick up, as it's crash landing.

[Dog62]

and if u suggest another site to go to they will ban u
And who are you to make that determination?
Also he will have to come back to the forum in order for him to ban anyone. Chat has been down long enough with no answer from Drew that obviously he is MIA.

[pole_smoker]

It is beginning to sound like the beginning of the end. I was a long time member of Tribe.net. The guy who owned that was taking all the ad dollars and pocketing it and not putting it back into the systems. He sold it off to a group who then started banning anyone who had anything to say bad about their companies. So you diss Pepsi, you were gone. You diss Cisco you were gone. People were outraged. They also took the ad revenue and left the rest. We would get messages every now and then from the guys really running things telling us that they had their hours cut, they couldn't get the hardware replaced that needed to. Basically it was dying on the vine. It was a vibrant community with all kinds of people. There were even some adult groups. Well, it really started going down and Pincus, yeah, the guy who brings you Zynga games, which also don't work half the time, well he bought it back. Then a consortium of users asked him if he would keep it running but let them manage the software. Somehow it is still up, but due to lack of funds and all the negative bull, most of the users are gone and what is left is the spammers and trolls. I had a great group on there that was very active but I left and turned it over to another guy. I was going to come back, but when I posted in the forum he deleted and told me I had no business posting in his forum, only he could. Whatever. I would say that maybe Drew was on vacation and if he is the only tech, then that could be the reason, but I have seen posts pulled by Drew. So he, or his proxy, must be around. The silence is deafening.
All that being said, I really didn't use chat much. The main room seemed cliquey. I just mostly use the messaging, and even that is light, or the forums.
I was on Tribe and it was not the way you described. Myself and other people would frequently complain about things to the owners, the ads, etc. and nobody was banned.

Chatting was free and you just had to download a chat program so you could chat with people on your friend list.

The site is still around but it is full of spammers and creepy people now. The groups that were once pretty good are basically dead now.

I do remember lots of people complaining about how their servers would constantly go down, or how one time they'd lost a year or two of data and posts that could never be recovered.

[pole_smoker]

Oh, one other thing. At Tribe, they also added paid memberships. You got special add-ons, a t-shirt, etc. Part of the reason I haven't paid here yet is because of what I am seeing. I paid to Tribe and it went down. I was out the money. If the operators were being responsive and saying they were working on things, I might have paid for a membership, but with unresponsive ops, I smell Tribe all over. I am not going to give my money over so the owner can just pocket and walk.
A lot of site owners wind up doing this.

They'll ask for cash for upgrades to their site, server, etc. and it's just a scam for people to give them money as they do not actually improve their site, or get a new server at all.

One site I go to recently became a non-profit org and that has scam written all over it.

[robin39]

Stick a fork in it. Its done.

[12voltyV2.0]

I thought that perhaps "Drew" would at least respond in some fashion to a message to him via ThreePillows--but its been a few days and of course---NOTHING---so I guess the site is running on "auto-pilot"----Oh well--I guess we will just keep limping along here as the site now is---at least its not been shut down.

I do hope that if whoever runs/owns this site decides to kill it--they at least will let us know before that happens and they don't just simply go and pull the plug without some advance word…….I guess we do have to consider that this is a very real possibility though.

[WebothBbi]

We've basically given up on this entire site. It's just not as lively as we'd like, the choices are slim unless you can travel far. For two we certainly would, but the one disappeared. We're sticking with Redclouds.

[nomorenomore]

Interesting that Drew updated his domain info in Sept. The domain is renewed until 2018. Hardly think he would have done that if he was leaving it. Let's just hope he is not sick or hospitalized. I think that if and when he does return, it might be suggested that he have a backup administrator.

Domain Name: BISEXUAL.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1890128_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.tucows.com
Registrar URL: http://tucowsdomains.com
Updated Date: 2014-09-24 10:24:22
Creation Date: 1996-01-09 05:00:00
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-01-08 05:00:00

[void()]

One site I go to recently became a non-profit org and that has scam written all over it.

Isn't part of becoming non-profit being that you do not accept money from members? You are no longer accepting money as profit. You may be accepting volunteer hours to serve a charity like , to do [ Insert Worthy Task Here ], but are not taking money. The only way I see that as being a [I]scam may be in a manner to foster taxation benefits.

I guess you may not approve of organizations like United Way having Big Brother's & Big Sisters, which helps youths have inspiration for better futures, have a break and not need to pay taxes. Maybe you dislike the services offered freely by the Red Cross as they do not pay taxes? You may even get mortified your church or tabernacle doesn't need to pay taxes on its annual bake sale to raise money for a new set of hymnals.

If I am reading something incorrectly, please do elucidate for me with better articulation. And sure, I'll even accept a "fuck the Bozos" answer. :) Having trouble getting a sense of your meaning. *kicks the words out of the way*

[Gypsy_Rose]

So in summary, we have come up with no other viable chat alternatives on which to meet? Tribe is now full of spammers and creepy people, and lush stories and bisexual playground are too colorful and have busy/difficult interfaces ... ?

Is there nowhere on the world wide web we could reconvene for chat?

[pole_smoker]

Isn't part of becoming non-profit being that you do not accept money from members? You are no longer accepting money as profit. You may be accepting volunteer hours to serve a charity like , to do [ Insert Worthy Task Here ], but are not taking money. The only way I see that as being a [I]scam may be in a manner to foster taxation benefits.

I guess you may not approve of organizations like United Way having Big Brother's & Big Sisters, which helps youths have inspiration for better futures, have a break and not need to pay taxes. Maybe you dislike the services offered freely by the Red Cross as they do not pay taxes? You may even get mortified your church or tabernacle doesn't need to pay taxes on its annual bake sale to raise money for a new set of hymnals.

If I am reading something incorrectly, please do elucidate for me with better articulation. And sure, I'll even accept a "fuck the Bozos" answer. :) Having trouble getting a sense of your meaning. *kicks the words out of the way*
On the site I mentioned they did not force people to donate money. They just said how they needed money, and claimed that now that it's a non-profit org that the money would be put to good use if people wanted to donate some to them. But in reality they're using the non-profit status as a way to get money, then use their non-profit as a tax shelter so they don't have to pay taxes on any of the money that people donate.

[wyldguy]

If no one can contact Drew, who's running the site?

He's still here. His profile shows he was on the site today at around 6pm if that means anything.

[monaohio]

I sent an email to Drew on his personal email that is on this site

[void()]

On the site I mentioned they did not force people to donate money. They just said how they needed money, and claimed that now that it's a non-profit org that the money would be put to good use if people wanted to donate some to them. But in reality they're using the non-profit status as a way to get money, then use their non-profit as a tax shelter so they don't have to pay taxes on any of the money that people donate.

*nodding* Can see how that would maybe come to be seen as a scam. If they were proven to simply be pocketing money. "Oh ha ha, the good use was in padding our own personal accounts." Would hazard though to avoid saying it publicly without evidence. 'Course I see you are not saying it, rather saying their are some who might do something like that. :) You wily old pro, you. ;)

[void()]

So in summary, we have come up with no other viable chat alternatives on which to meet? Tribe is now full of spammers and creepy people, and lush stories and bisexual playground are too colorful and have busy/difficult interfaces ... ?

Is there nowhere on the world wide web we could reconvene for chat?

Try reading this (http://www.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?16094-Keeping-in-touch-and-goodbye-%28) a bit. You may find it of use. You may not, too. I really am not sure as it is truly a matter of personal taste/s. A person could always try IRC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat), if they could gather folks from here to a common server, and a common room. But IRC may not exactly be on the world wide web, as the world wide web is defined. It is though on the Internet. And yes, if you look it up, there are subtle differences. The world wide web is a layer of the Internet, Usenet, FTP, Gopher are other layers of the Internet, and yes there are world wide web gateways to IRC available. :)

[Coastocoast]

As a person who has worked tireless hours for a non-profit, they may solicit money from members and outside entities so long as the money is used strictly to support the expenses of the cause. If you were to start a non-profit for say a woman's shelter donations could be used to house, feed and help the women it is assisting and pay for other costs including a website to provide information. Any non-profit that is organized in the US is subject to auditing procedures to ensure the funds are properly used, outside the US the laws would vary. I do not understand the situation with this site but I suspect that rather than something sinister the drain on his time and resources exceeds the ability for the site to support itself. Drew's sudden absence makes me wonder if the site will shut down in the near future probably due to financial reasons. It is a shame since there are few sites where we can get together and talk about the problems, opportunities and meet with other bisexuals. I was a member of another site for several years. It became obvious that open discussion was nonexistent as they banned people quickly for hinting that other sites existed or for any criticism of the site. Drew walked a fine line giving people the benefit of the doubt and allowing open discussion while maintaining some type of order. He did a better job at it than I would have, even while I disagreed at times. My usual statement is if it were that bad at work or somewhere that I hung out at, I would be gone so my presence speaks for the situation. I seriously hope the site makes a comeback but the silence as of late has had me doubtful. Drew if you are around check in and let us know you are OK and what is going on. If anyone comes up with plan B please speak up and let us know. Thanks.

[pole_smoker]

*nodding* Can see how that would maybe come to be seen as a scam. If they were proven to simply be pocketing money. "Oh ha ha, the good use was in padding our own personal accounts." Would hazard though to avoid saying it publicly without evidence. 'Course I see you are not saying it, rather saying their are some who might do something like that. :) You wily old pro, you. ;)
It's the site bluelight. There's a section of the message board that's not about drugs at all, a section for people who don't use drugs by choice, and even a message board about sexuality; but it's a site about drugs where the majority of people who go there use illegal drugs including a lot of admins/moderators, and the original site owner.

If it's a small local church and they're not affiliated with a mega church, or the Roman Catholic church or Vatican then I'm OK with them having their tax exempt status. The same goes for a small Synagogue that's not associated with Israel, or Zionist politics. Or a mosque or Hindu temple that's not extreme in politics or associated with a world government.

[void()]

It's the site bluelight. There's a section of the message board that's not about drugs at all, a section for people who don't use drugs by choice, and even a message board about sexuality; but it's a site about drugs where the majority of people who go there use illegal drugs including a lot of admins/moderators, and the original site owner.

If it's a small local church and they're not affiliated with a mega church, or the Roman Catholic church or Vatican then I'm OK with them having their tax exempt status. The same goes for a small Synagogue that's not associated with Israel, or Zionist politics. Or a mosque or Hindu temple that's not extreme in politics or associated with a world government.

Well, I recently learned there are two types of users as far as drugs, nicotine, alcohol go. You have addicts. They can not help themselves as they have both physical and psychological dependency on the substance. Then you have those dependent, or dependents on a substance. Normally, you can see these types look for a way to have a moderated and even delivery of a substance. They do not need as direly, perhaps.

I know from experience of being nicotine dependent, it was easy to give up tobacco cigarettes. They offered a quick and powerful fix of nicotine which as it was not sustained, left you craving another cigarette right after finishing one. I vape now and maybe take a ten minute break every two to four hours. My wife says she thinks I vape all day. But there is a difference, I am getting sustained, clean nicotine. I enjoy the flavoring of the liquid I use, seems I graze or vape all day to her. I do not have a psychological need of the nicotine. Sure it keeps me stable physiologically but therein is the difference between addict and dependent.

Addicts would sell both kidneys for a fix spontaneously. Dependents would be smarter, find a more affordable means, more stable fix.
So, I understand what you're driving at. Junkies setting up a non-profit to feed a need. Not really a good call or good form on their part. Hopefully, an audit can track what's shaking. Many ways to be discrete regarding audits, ways to conceal etc, so on.

I agree with you regarding smaller religious groups. Also like it when there are secular groups doing similar work, either in conjunction with religious groups or on their own. One group I read about recently was a prominent biker gang, one of the more hard core types, coming round as protectors for victims of child abuse. The bikers show up and get between the abuser and the victim/s, some carry firearms, most are just big ugly, grizzly old dogs that sure as hell intimidate folks. :) They're set up as a non-profit, secular but if you're a praying biker you're just as welcome to help. They bring the children teddy bears, dolls, groovy biker jackets and even offer some mentoring if appropriate.

The world needs the light, of that I'm sure and agree. Shame we have to take the dark with it but so far we here at "Grand Wizard University" have yet to sort how to unchain the two, at least not without adverse side affects (see fine print below).






If you can read this you're too close. Side effects include but are not limited to, cynicism, sarcasm, morbid irony. Take as directed, or more if needed. Consult no one, not even a doctor regarding this medication. It is a medicine known as reality and humanity. Often when experiencing life, we realize it is difficult and look to others for solutions. All anyone else can sell you is snake oil! Look to yourself for the solution, you made the mess after all. Void where prohibited. All warranties expressed, implied, subtext or transplanted from alternate dimensions do not count except on every third Tuesday of Calvin Ball. Go on!


PS: Yes, I too am learning, growing, living. I have began looking inward for help. It is there but at times I still stub my toes on the furniture. :) Lot of dark rooms in this attic. Good I keep bringing more candles and matches.

[manhatten]

Well this has all been a good read and don't know about ya'll, but after almost 4 years here I see the Chat scat & Drew flew as a sign telling me to go 'dormant' from here. I'd rather be away from a ship when it goes under than be on it, cause then it seems like it'd be kinda creepy having all my things here suddenly whisked away into some digital bizzaro world. All is nearly deleted now anyway and Sunday will be my day to exit. Timing couldn't be better for me anyway. I had already been headed for a hiatus for the last few months.

[void()]

Well this has all been a good read and don't know about ya'll, but after almost 4 years here I see the Chat scat & Drew flew as a sign telling me to go 'dormant' from here. I'd rather be away from a ship when it goes under than be on it, cause then it seems like it'd be kinda creepy having all my things here suddenly whisked away into some digital bizzaro world. All is nearly deleted now anyway and Sunday will be my day to exit. Timing couldn't be better for me anyway. I had already been headed for a hiatus for the last few months.

Understand the sentiments you express. I have been dallying here too much of late, yet it has been a bit intriguing.
Also been having a little more down time as the garden has been plowed under. Of course, that is swapped out for
dealing with firewood, pellets for pellet stove. Have some hope to see a mild Winter here. We recently did some major
grounds work and am unsure how the snow, ice shall be in regards to more leveled slopes. Please keep yourself safe. :)
Maybe we can all stop in from time to time, that is if things are more positive than nought.

[manhatten]

Understand the sentiments you express. I have been dallying here too much of late, yet it has been a bit intriguing.
Also been having a little more down time as the garden has been plowed under. Of course, that is swapped out for
dealing with firewood, pellets for pellet stove. Have some hope to see a mild Winter here. We recently did some major
grounds work and am unsure how the snow, ice shall be in regards to more leveled slopes. Please keep yourself safe. :)
Maybe we can all stop in from time to time, that is if things are more positive than nought.

Haha, I thought the 'garden being plowed under' was a metaphor and thought it an interesting way to say something else entirely, but the talk of a pellet stove and firewood brought me back to reality. Yes, not looking forward to winter myself as by day I am a handyman and winter always kills me financially. To wit, I was just served papers the other day attributed to such a falling over the last several winters and looks like I will have to file a Chapter 13 bankruptcy within a few weeks.
I suppose Drew could be going thru something similar or much worse and doesn't want to advertise his demise to the masses here and that is somewhat understandable, otherwise he might feel he'd fast-forward a mass exodus or create himself new financial problems from those members who paid into this site. If that were the case maybe he doesn't realize or have a little faith that possibly there are also those here who may offer a little financial incentive to keep this site here and working properly. All conjecture tho, and so doesn't change my mind on my next move.
I've also started backing out of the other sites I am on, but will remain there longer than I am here, should anyone care to keep in contact. 2 of them:
xhamster - RachelMichaels812
xtube - RachelMikel

[pole_smoker]

Well, I recently learned there are two types of users as far as drugs, nicotine, alcohol go. You have addicts. They can not help themselves as they have both physical and psychological dependency on the substance. Then you have those dependent, or dependents on a substance. Normally, you can see these types look for a way to have a moderated and even delivery of a substance. They do not need as direly, perhaps.

I know from experience of being nicotine dependent, it was easy to give up tobacco cigarettes. They offered a quick and powerful fix of nicotine which as it was not sustained, left you craving another cigarette right after finishing one. I vape now and maybe take a ten minute break every two to four hours. My wife says she thinks I vape all day. But there is a difference, I am getting sustained, clean nicotine. I enjoy the flavoring of the liquid I use, seems I graze or vape all day to her. I do not have a psychological need of the nicotine. Sure it keeps me stable physiologically but therein is the difference between addict and dependent.

Addicts would sell both kidneys for a fix spontaneously. Dependents would be smarter, find a more affordable means, more stable fix.
So, I understand what you're driving at. Junkies setting up a non-profit to feed a need. Not really a good call or good form on their part. Hopefully, an audit can track what's shaking. Many ways to be discrete regarding audits, ways to conceal etc, so on.

I agree with you regarding smaller religious groups. Also like it when there are secular groups doing similar work, either in conjunction with religious groups or on their own. One group I read about recently was a prominent biker gang, one of the more hard core types, coming round as protectors for victims of child abuse. The bikers show up and get between the abuser and the victim/s, some carry firearms, most are just big ugly, grizzly old dogs that sure as hell intimidate folks. :) They're set up as a non-profit, secular but if you're a praying biker you're just as welcome to help. They bring the children teddy bears, dolls, groovy biker jackets and even offer some mentoring if appropriate.

The world needs the light, of that I'm sure and agree. Shame we have to take the dark with it but so far we here at "Grand Wizard University" have yet to sort how to unchain the two, at least not without adverse side affects (see fine print below).






If you can read this you're too close. Side effects include but are not limited to, cynicism, sarcasm, morbid irony. Take as directed, or more if needed. Consult no one, not even a doctor regarding this medication. It is a medicine known as reality and humanity. Often when experiencing life, we realize it is difficult and look to others for solutions. All anyone else can sell you is snake oil! Look to yourself for the solution, you made the mess after all. Void where prohibited. All warranties expressed, implied, subtext or transplanted from alternate dimensions do not count except on every third Tuesday of Calvin Ball. Go on!


PS: Yes, I too am learning, growing, living. I have began looking inward for help. It is there but at times I still stub my toes on the furniture. :) Lot of dark rooms in this attic. Good I keep bringing more candles and matches.
OK, on the site bluelight I mentioned the admins/moderators and site owners that use drugs are not just into smoking tobacco, weed, drinking booze, and sometimes taking psychedelic mushrooms, or actual LSD. Some are into meth, heroin, coke, opiate based painkillers, benzos, Ketamine, fake cannabis that was or can be legal and highly addictive in some places called k2, spice, JWH, taking random pills that are supposed to be either MDMA or MDA but who knows what is really in them, and various research chemicals that are legal that if someone wants to get legally and take them they easily can.

[cuttin2dachase]

To get back on topic, Yahoo Messenger is a very good PM chat platform. It does not have chatrooms, but it's free and easy to dl and use and it has a good cam capability. I and several other regs and semi-regs from this site have been chatting there in PMs. Anyone who has a YM account or creates one, feel free to look me up there under this same handle and request me as a contact. There is another site, swinglifestyle.com, which is free to join. It primarily caters to swinging couples and singles. Free members have less privileges (ie limited emails and pic viewing) than the paid members (kinda like this site), but overall it is a good free site. You can search for local bi people and many of them are not only looking for couples or group sex, but for other local solo bi playmates as well. The chatrooms are free and there are usually chatrooms open for bi men, women and couples. The only chat restriction is that free members may not create new rooms.

[void()]

Haha, I thought the 'garden being plowed under' was a metaphor and thought it an interesting way to say something else entirely, but the talk of a pellet stove and firewood brought me back to reality.

*rereads what he wrote, chuckles* Ah, gotcha. Wish it were a euphemism. Although if my boyfriend were hung that well, I would be in serious trouble. ;) He might be too. :drool::impleased:angel:

I am a house hubbay, being in the rural area that likens me to Mr. Odd Jobs. Been tending my father-in-law's wood stove this past week. He recently had a surgery and is a bit incapacitated. That is not euphemistic either. We have been having a rainy Autumn here. It bodes not well for folks what draw the dampness to their core. A good wood stove fire is almost a need.

Back to topic, Yahoo Messenger does have rooms. They are not worth much consideration though. You have to deal with too many bots and the rooms are topic based, set by Yahoo. The best way around that is setting up your own rooms, which you can password lock if I recall correctly. Let those you want to invite to a room know when, password.

ICQ is still around as well. It hosts chat rooms, or you can do similar to Yahoo, roll your own. Google of course offers a Jabber protocol based client, Google Talk. I have not really tried the roll your own room technique with it. Not sure if you can. Possibly last resort but Facebook has chat. IRC is still around too. Plenty of choices out there.

[rdy2go]

I miss the chat! What happened?

[void()]

I miss the chat! What happened?

We thought you knew.

[semibi]

I still check here occasionally, hoping the chat might magically return. I guess not.