Is this still a bisexual site?

[tenni]

What makes this site a bisexual site?

Most posts are dealing with same sex male mechanics? admiration about cock photos, anal penetration.

The number of posts from men and women inquiring about their feelings of attraction for both genders is way down or non existent. Little to no threads about any emotional attraction for same gender and opposite gender......little or no threads about confusion over sexuality...........little or no threads about bisexual politics............many threads focusing on giving head techniques....threads about receiving anal sex techniques.

Has this become a homosexual site where gay men discuss salacious sexual mechanics?

[tssoepxxx]

tenni,
I notice this a while back and actually stopped visiting the site for a bit because I felt that I wasn't really getting some of the what I was actually looking for: support for my bisexuality. I live in southern California and I have been looking for a bisexual support or meetup group but have been unsuccessful. I think you are correct when you say that there are little threads about confusion about sexuality, emotional attraction for same/opposite gender and politics. Myself, I would like to learn from others who have begun to "come out" to close family and friends, about being in an "heterosexual" relationship with a bi identity and having your other half know about your bisexuality. For example, I've been in a relationship for almost two years and my girlfriend knows about my bisexuality, but every now and then, I have to remind her that I'm bisexual; why do I feel the need? These are the types of things I would love to learn and would hope to get from this site.

But you're right. Occasionally when I do visit the site, it merely serves to stimulate the same sex attraction in me.

~E

[liberlib]

Good points that I have noticed also but I would like to present a slightly different viewpoint. I am strongly bisexual but current association with the female side of that is basically monogamous in nature. I have a commitment to my wife that is (almost) everything I want in that regard. The (almost) is my feeling of need to have intimate relations with other men (she doesn't have a cock for me to service or interest in anal). But it goes deeper than that.

I can have intimate conversations with her and find out what she is desiring in attention. There is a closeness and physical contact that is missing with regular relations with other men in my community. To have that level of contact is basically taboo. This site provides an opportunity to see/hear/discuss some of that I can do elsewhere in my 'straight' life. That said, I value the insights from the female/TG members in how to treat the lady as a women and actively look for them. After all, I can apply that with my female lover. I also I'm finding myself drawn to the CD/TG discussions as I want to service my male lovers as best I can and find the effort helping me anticipate my wife's response and what I think may be part of her needs.

I agree that there seems to be too many articles on cock and ass but I do find the other views (although, admittedly many of those were older posts). And the variations in the struggle to come to grasp with sexual identity and roles are present and valued to me as I see the rich variety in motivations and response.

[fredtyg]

Maybe most here just feel some of the old topics have been discussed to death? And perhaps not much in the way of new members to ask those questions over again?

[Polar Bear]

Tenni,

I've noticed a steady decline in the overall quality of this site. So much so, that I will not be renewing my paid membership. This is a very disappointing turn of events.

[darkeyes]

Wudn't like to say just what the site has become.. a bit of a pointless mess largely due to owner absence and disinterest for whatever reason.. seems .com is being left to wither and die.. but it has always been more of a male site.. even more so now. It is a waste... and I fear a terminal and interminable one which no longer has any point except to allow certain types of guys to do their thing, whatever that happens 2 b, pointlessly... it long since lost its claim to being bisexual or indeed very much else.. gay? Hardly.. that would mean spreading round some joy whichever meaning of the word we employ.. it has been some while since any of that did the rounds on site..

[Coastocoast]

Yes it seems like the site has become a forum for posting gay porn and asking 40 versions of the same question. Also three are many discussions which we all see are people talking to themselves through multiple accounts owned by the same person, most of those acccounts appeared after the owner's departure. It is a shame but this is the current reality. I would love to hear Drew's comments on the subject.

[elian]

I guess a certain group of people want to vent their pent up frustrations and desires.

On the opposite end of the spectrum I also participate on another low-traffic bisexuality support site and many folks there are dealing with questions about to whom and how do I come out?, I think I might be?, Can I be monogamous or not? I -really- like my best friend/co-worker should I tell?, My spouse is bi and I have fears about whether or not he/she still still find me attractive? etc. I absolutely have sympathy and empathy for those folks but I wonder how many times I can give the same advice over and over again? It's almost like someone should compile the most frequent advice and create a bisexuality FAQ. I will still participate on that site though because I believe everybody deserves to know that they are not alone, that they are worthy, that their feelings matter and are real.

I actually was ready to be angry at pole smoker over a few of the one liners in his recent post (since I droned on for five paragraphs) but then I realized that one of his matter of fact comments made me stop and really think about how I felt. I worked through an issue that had been stopping me before without even realizing it. I admit that maybe this isn't the site for a public therapy session but without it, I would have still been hurting even more.

There are a lot of male-centric and gay-themed threads on the site, and to the extent that I think men feel ashamed of same-sex attraction and maybe want to vent and have support for that aspect of their identity well okay ...but after the 12th - do you spit or swallow? Do you like cock or pussy? ..and all of the other fetishes I can't think of right now..it kind of gets old.

I think a certain group of folks loves venting about those desires..and to some extent they read the threads and get off at least mentally if not physically. Sadly, that makes this site a lot less "family" oriented than it used to be.

At one point there was a real sense of community - so much so that people would bitch about not being able to find hook-ups. Constant bickering probably drove the "family" part away.

Good chance I suspect what you are seeing is probably what used to be a lot of private chat traffic transmute itself into something public through the forums.

[andeep]

as a new member i can't really comment on the site in general.

my only view would be that the site acts as a place for guys to discuss same sex feelings, so naturally the majority of topics will revolve around talking about sucking cock - which eventually will result in the site being flooded with homosexual content.

would be nice to see more of a mixture of threads - straight and gay

for example, im into tattoos and love to see girls covered in tats

http://41.media.tumblr.com/7da875532e1793956f7140ce3f7e2844/tumblr_n5dmajMqUa1r9ow28o1_500.jpg

[CALL4ME]

Agree -- I have very little interest in this site anymore, haven't been here in a couple of months. May as well close it down because it's on the slippery slope away from bisexual issues, contacts, stories, etc and into the male gay thing.

[elian]

Thanks for sharing andeep, I have always admired the physical form of both (or maybe I should say "all" since transgender folks who are transitioning also have their own form) :)

I love that people can talk about things very openly here, but it is also a double-edged sort of thing. Maybe we -should- start our own bisexual FAQ. The other thing that might've solved some of the issue would be to divide the public forum into subforums for different interests - like the top 10 or 20 issues that people like to talk about - pin some of the obviously bisexual ones.

You are dealing with issues of social norms, gender roles, sexuality, relationships, physical and psychological gender identity, physical/mental/spiritual health - it is bound to attract a mixture of different types of folks. I've never felt a strong desire to exclude anyone unless they were being downright abusive. On other sites, even when I have a conversation with someone who does not believe in LGBT rights, we usually all benefit from the conversation, unless it degenerates into name calling.

-- Or maybe you aren't, maybe you're just coming here to get off. I understand about wanting to feel pleasure .. it's a shame when somebody really does need help though that they get drowned out by the fetish threads or two members bickering back and forth with each other. For my part, maybe the best thing to do is to stick to answering the original poster's question..

On a more serious note, I would like to give (hugs) to Drew - I don't know what he is facing but everyone deserves (nuzzles) and (hugs) right?

[andeep]

Also, I don't think it helps restricting the forum to just one section (Main Forum), where EVERYTHING gets posted.

Opening the site up to different sections and topics might get people talking more.

[Cutiliae]

I have found this site helpful and interesting. I'm a married guy that on occasion likes to suck cock and pretend I'm a woman, which is, I believe, nothing more than a sexual lust I have (fetish?). I'm not into men or have the desire to be in a relationship with one.... if trapped on an island with only one other person I would choose a hot chick.

[sopitup]

as a new member i can't really comment on the site in general.

my only view would be that the site acts as a place for guys to discuss same sex feelings, so naturally the majority of topics will revolve around talking about sucking cock - which eventually will result in the site being flooded with homosexual content.

would be nice to see more of a mixture of threads - straight and gay

for example, im into tattoos and love to see girls covered in tats

http://41.media.tumblr.com/7da875532e1793956f7140ce3f7e2844/tumblr_n5dmajMqUa1r9ow28o1_500.jpg
wish I was into tattoos, otherwise I am a freak for redheads and you are one smoking hot redhead

[Annika L]

Wudn't like to say just what the site has become.. a bit of a pointless mess largely due to owner absence and disinterest for whatever reason.. seems .com is being left to wither and die.. but it has always been more of a male site.. even more so now. It is a waste... and I fear a terminal and interminable one which no longer has any point except to allow certain types of guys to do their thing, whatever that happens 2 b, pointlessly... it long since lost its claim to being bisexual or indeed very much else.. gay? Hardly.. that would mean spreading round some joy whichever meaning of the word we employ.. it has been some while since any of that did the rounds on site..

Fran, dear, I'll not say a word against what you've posted here.

But I recall a post I made, mmm, a year or two ago maybe, where I noted that your post-count was approaching 10,000. I posited several possible outcomes of such a rollover. One, I believe was that it would break the site. I believe your response to the thought that you post-count would reach 10,000 was something like "trust me, it'll nevah happen, babes."

Now I look at your post-count of 10,016 and say damn...apparently I called it on the nose. For my own part, I swear, it was only meant as a joke!

But humor aside, yeah..."left to wither and die" seems to be exactly right. There was once a site called "bisexual.org" that hosted a chat room (I think, actually, that the site still exists, but is more of a tribute to Klein now, and does not host a chat room). There was a close-knit little group of us who "lived" there and enjoyed that space. (It's where I originally met Fran, for that matter, although she was not a regular there.) It was a great little space, although strange. There was no membership, there were no profiles, and there was no forum...you just went in and chatted. In December 2006, that chat room met its demise, except for a defunct copy left floating in cyberspace, which eventually disappeared as well. Much of our group, clinging to bits of e-flotsam, washed up on the shores of this site, and made a new home here. It has been increasingly clear that this site has now met the same space. A number of us (some even from the bisexual.org group) have moved on to yet another space...and the community that once existed here is mostly disbanded. I still keep a few of my things in a drawer in my profile here that I'm reluctant to completely clean out and abandon; and I still have 2 bottles of decent Scotch whisky and a bottle of good martini gin in the chatroom's bar (not to mention a towel with some sentimental value that I left near the hottub in chat)...much as I'd like those things back, I doubt I'll ever recover them.

Unless this site makes an extraordinary phoenix-like recovery, I'm afraid it has only to die the real death. May it rest in peace when it reaches that point.

[darkeyes]

I remember well making that comment.. meant it too but the best laid plans, hey? They gang aft a-gley for the fairer sex 2..:):love87:

[gunslinger13]

This site without a chat feature has been left to die on the vine. I rarely stop by anymore having found a better sites to go to.
A true Bi sex site is hard to find as they seem to be all linked together.

[ukmale32]

This site is a shadow of its former self, I barely comment on threads & increasingly don't even bother to come here any more. Way too many of the threads could have been started by school kids, with their juvenile tone.

If someone can recommend a decent bi focused free site, do share. I keep meaning to remove myself from here. It's almost time to turn the lights out now.

[charles-smythe]

as a new member i can't really comment on the site in general.

my only view would be that the site acts as a place for guys to discuss same sex feelings, so naturally the majority of topics will revolve around talking about sucking cock - which eventually will result in the site being flooded with homosexual content.

would be nice to see more of a mixture of threads - straight and gay

for example, im into tattoos and love to see girls covered in tats

http://41.media.tumblr.com/7da875532e1793956f7140ce3f7e2844/tumblr_n5dmajMqUa1r9ow28o1_500.jpg
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[charles-smythe]

Agree -- I have very little interest in this site anymore, haven't been here in a couple of months. May as well close it down because it's on the slippery slope away from bisexual issues, contacts, stories, etc and into the male gay thing.
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...have you tried posting n the direction you think board should go?...if you don't like other posts start your own thread...others will follow...

[charles-smythe]

Also, I don't think it helps restricting the forum to just one section (Main Forum), where EVERYTHING gets posted.

Opening the site up to different sections and topics might get people talking more.
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[charles-smythe]

wish I was into tattoos, otherwise I am a freak for redheads and you are one smoking hot redhead
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[elian]

..an eight pack of wieners - (! giggles/smiles) - err, umm - now, what were we talking about?

[sysper]

i really like where this board seems to be going lately :bigrin::bounce:

[charles-smythe]

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[tenni]

Well, it looks like for some if you post a nude female as opposed to a nude male or cock, that makes this a bisexual site? I think that is a rather base form but it has some validity.

Andeep post 12
I think that sections can be made using the group idea at the bottom of the front page. I don't bother checking them out and perhaps you are the same. A few years back there was a revision of the site.

Sysper post 24
What direction do you see the site going? You have been member for a little under a year. How has it changed in your view?

I agree with the posters who state that if you want the site to go in a direction that you should post that way. Sadly, some have created what others see as juvenile repetitive posts that really have little to do with bisexuality.

We had someone who has been a member for awhile post about his on going conflict over his bisexuality. Few responded. I guess the posters who care about that issue have left the site.

[charles-smythe]

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[Annika L]

We had someone who has been a member for awhile post about his on going conflict over his bisexuality. Few responded. I guess the posters who care about that issue have left the site.

It's true, tenni.

I give lots of support to people struggling with their sexuality (both "thought I was straight, but now I don't know what I am" and "thought I was gay, but now I don't know what I am")...but I do so on another site. I rarely check in here, and when I see someone in a struggle, my first thought is "ok, you need to get yourself to a real site...here you'll not find what you need"...but I also don't find it to be my place to say that outright...I figure anything I say here that they may find valuable will get drowned out in the throng of voices spewing what I consider to be trash and nonsense. I just don't have the energy to fight that fight here, really.

So those whose stated intent is to shut down this site (I have actually heard that from members here, btw) can be proud of their pathetic selves. This site is dying; it's only a matter of time. But they'll not stop the community that once throve here from thriving elsewhere; nor will they stop sites from providing support as this site once did.

[sysper]

Well, it looks like for some if you post a nude female as opposed to a nude male or cock, that makes this a bisexual site? I think that is a rather base form but it has some validity.

Andeep post 12
I think that sections can be made using the group idea at the bottom of the front page. I don't bother checking them out and perhaps you are the same. A few years back there was a revision of the site.

Sysper post 24
What direction do you see the site going? You have been member for a little under a year. How has it changed in your view?

I agree with the posters who state that if you want the site to go in a direction that you should post that way. Sadly, some have created what others see as juvenile repetitive posts that really have little to do with bisexuality.

We had someone who has been a member for awhile post about his on going conflict over his bisexuality. Few responded. I guess the posters who care about that issue have left the site.
i didn't mean the whole site just this thread especially some of the pix :)

[tenni]

I miss your sage logic Annika. You didn't always post but all of your posts reflected a wonderful intelligent woman was commenting. You are probably correct. I can recall being on a gay site(never knew a bi site). There was a different type of community but not what is going on now on this site. Even that gay site had more soul than this site presently. Predictions of the site vanishing are increasing. You are correct that the site is turing to trash.

sysper
Thanks for clarifying. I guess that you meant that you are enjoying nude photos. Is that what draws you too this site?

The question was whether this was still a bisexual site? It certainly is not what it use to be. It use to be a site that on the positive side discussed bisexuality without even showing genitals...or if they were shown such images were not excessive. People wrote their thoughts and argued their positions. Some sought help in understanding their sexuality. Polls dealt with issues and questions not anatomy. People (mostly men) who have joined over the past year or so, have no understanding of the values and standards that existed. It has never been a perfect site. Some have gone to a site that still has a chat and that seems to meet their needs. That site has or doesn't seem to have even the level of a forum that still exists here.

This certainly is not a bisexual site beyond graphic discourse on same sex acts with the odd reference to female anatomy.

[Alex2200]

Feel that comment was a tad rude. "Discussed to death" doesn't include new members, for example, who are still questioning themselves.

[Country Guy]

It's true, tenni.

I give lots of support to people struggling with their sexuality (both "thought I was straight, but now I don't know what I am" and "thought I was gay, but now I don't know what I am")...but I do so on another site. I rarely check in here, and when I see someone in a struggle, my first thought is "ok, you need to get yourself to a real site...here you'll not find what you need"...but I also don't find it to be my place to say that outright...I figure anything I say here that they may find valuable will get drowned out in the throng of voices spewing what I consider to be trash and nonsense. I just don't have the energy to fight that fight here, really.

So those whose stated intent is to shut down this site (I have actually heard that from members here, btw) can be proud of their pathetic selves. This site is dying; it's only a matter of time. But they'll not stop the community that once throve here from thriving elsewhere; nor will they stop sites from providing support as this site once did.

Well put Annika. I don't post much (only when I can add something to the conversation) but I visit every day. Today is a great example of what's happening to the site, lots of useless threads revived from the dead, poles brought back to the top for no reason. But I do like the "harder" edge this site has compared to another I'm on, but it's gone too far. I don't even mind all the pictures (especially if it is of our members) but it's been taken to the extreme. We all know why.

Maybe the comment about "discussed to death" was a bit rude, but newbies usually don't read old posts to see that it really has been discussed to death. It happens on every forum I'm on. Before I joined here, I read ALL of the old posts. I don't like to sound stupid by asking the same question that's been asked 1000 times, but that's just me.

I hope we can continue on

[tenni]

I'm not sure where the "discussed to death" comment came from. This has been used for a long time but not consistently week after week. I agree that there are a lot of readers who don't post but they are judging what this site is all about. I don't think that it is reasonable to expect someone in crisis to read all the threads. It may be a good idea though. Each time a new person posts their personal issues or crisis, I think that we can develop a deeper understanding of issues for bisexuals. We have commonality in some areas (fluid aspect for one). We have different situations that may add to a deeper understanding.

If someone thinks that they have heard the issue enough, maybe just skip it..or take a break from the site. That is different than repetitive male genital porn and posts about penetration of butt holes.

I think that the best comment was that if we want more content about bisexuality and not just all repeats of troll repeatedly bringing their non bisexual issue to the top, then start a thread about bisexual issues or experiences. I don't know how the sickening negativity that oozes from trolling can be ended if Drew is letting the site dissolve into a gay site with porn mentality.

[charles-smythe]

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[ErosUrge]

Though I have replied and added my own comments to the more base threads here (and there certainly are several), I do miss the spirit of sharing that once existed on this site. I very seldom come here any more myself. After having gone through so much about my own insecurities being bisexual, this site was once a haven for getting advice or at least sharing my views and feelings about being bisexual. Those discussions are pretty much non-existent now; at least if there have been any as of recent, I haven't seen them when I've been here. Though I very much enjoy threads having to do with more sexually explicit topics and will often comment on them (and even did a few moments ago when I came into the site), it becomes very elementary after a while; a novelty of sorts. It is sad to say that I agree that this site is in its death throes. Unless as has also been pointed out, something miraculously changes things here. I have always found Tenni and Annika and Dark Eyes and Realist's comments to be enlightening, refreshing, challenging sometimes, and humorous as well...If indeed this site is going to die, I will miss it and those of you I mentioned.

[Realist]

Annika wrote: So those whose stated intent is to shut down this site (I have actually heard that from members here, btw) can be proud of their pathetic selves. This site is dying; it's only a matter of time. But they'll not stop the community that once throve here from thriving elsewhere; nor will they stop sites from providing support as this site once did.

Eros wrote: ...If indeed this site is going to die, I will miss it and those of you I mentioned.

Tenni wrote: I don't know how the sickening negativity that oozes from trolling can be ended if Drew is letting the site dissolve into a gay site with porn mentality.

I suspect that Drew has moved on to bigger and better things. I visualize him getting fed up with the constant monitoring and petty, mean-spirited, and asinine posting. I can't imagine my taking that task upon myself!

I used to frequent an old site, just called Bianca. But, at the end of the 1990s, Trolls and spammers had ruined it. Just like on this site, members began losing interest in the rhetoric, friction, and decline. The administrators apparently lost interest, or were overwhelmed. That site fell into disrepair and soon failed. Tragically, I lost contact with some great correspondents when that happened..

I suggest, if there are members, who you do not want to lose contact with, that you should develop a private line of communication with them. I have.

This site has done wonders for me and I hate to think of it's demise: In October 2008, a poly-minded bisexual girl, who I met here, became the love of my life. I'd been thinking, after my 3rd failed marriage, that I'd be better off with just a male partner, but she convinced me there was no reason for me not to have both in my life, or hers.

Then, with her and some members help, I finally accepted that I was a life-long bisexual and would probably never be happy with just one gender. Remarkably, since then, has been the most open and honest of my life.

So, I owe a lot to this site and will remain a member as long as I can.

Thank you, Drew, where ever you are!

[charles-smythe]

...I repeat that if you're unhappy with the way the posts are going...start threads that are of interest to you...then you and our followers can read them and not open the posts the don't like...
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[tenni]

Well stated Realist. There is little purpose in posting nudes of either gender if there is no intelligent content to go with it. It is simply posting porn stolen from other sites. That is quite different from posting images of yourself or partner.. There seems to be "agents" attempting to remove any genuine discourse about bisexuality. The block feature works for individuals who irritate but when it comes to multi invented posters maybe from the same host it seems to wear people with more sanity away.

[pole_smoker]

Well stated Realist. There is little purpose in posting nudes of either gender if there is no intelligent content to go with it. It is simply posting porn stolen from other sites. That is quite different from posting images of yourself or partner.. There seems to be "agents" attempting to remove any genuine discourse about bisexuality. The block feature works for individuals who irritate but when it comes to multi invented posters maybe from the same host it seems to wear people with more sanity away.
Nonsense.

[Annika L]

...I repeat that if you're unhappy with the way the posts are going...start threads that are of interest to you...then you and our followers can read them and not open the posts the don't like...

I used to offer this very advice. But then a new phenomenon started. Basically, it was people (or more often, one person, but not always) spamming the forum with *so many* ridiculously raunchy new threads that anything "real" (from my perspective) got pushed off before people even became aware of it.

And then there is this phenomenon that we're seeing in this thread. Someone *does* start a thread that is of interest to some of us, that doesn't deal with sexually explicit material, and those who want this to be a porn site feel the need to spam the discussion with porn-posts that have nothing to do with the thread topic. So Mr. Smythe, I find your suggestion rings a bit disingenuous. And at this point, so many people who engage in interesting conversation have left the site that there's barely anyone left to post worthwhile threads for. Well done, all.

[pole_smoker]

...I repeat that if you're unhappy with the way the posts are going...start threads that are of interest to you...then you and our followers can read them and not open the posts the don't like...
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Exactly. There are threads and topics I'm simply not interested in so I don't reply to them, or even open them to read them.

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[chances]

Im getting to hate the trolls that have hijacked this site it used to be a great place for finding out information, realated to every aspect of bisexuality,and address questions, concerns, emotions, but no has dissolved into a degenerate site for trolls who no idea of intelligent opinions

[Annika L]

Exactly. There are threads and topics I'm simply not interested in so I don't reply to them, or even open them to read them.


Oooh. One wonders what your interest in this thread's topic might be.

[elian]

Yes I agree Annika, It's really f'king sad that some people don't have a conscience.

Human trafficking and sex for pay is not glamorous, frankly I find it disgusting and if it turns these people on then I suggest they go out and try living on the street for a week with no home and see what reality is really like...13 year old kids kidnapped and drugged - that's what you are cherishing and celebrating..good luck with that ..

As much as it pains the trolls to hear it, I think bisexual people are capable of more than that. I'm just trying to figure out who it is that thinks bisexual people are so nasty that they don't have a conscience...because I'm telling you right now, you are wrong...I don't know what the hell anyone ever did to you, but that's not ALL bisexuals. We have a right to exist as moral, peaceful people, and most of us are moral, peaceful people.

[pole_smoker]

Yes I agree Annika, It's really f'king sad that some people don't have a conscience.

Human trafficking and sex for pay is not glamorous, frankly I find it disgusting and if it turns these people on then I suggest they go out and try living on the street for a week with no home and see what reality is really like...13 year old kids kidnapped and drugged - that's what you are cherishing and celebrating..good luck with that ..

As much as it pains the trolls to hear it, I think bisexual people are capable of more than that. I'm just trying to figure out who it is that thinks bisexual people are so nasty that they don't have a conscience...because I'm telling you right now, you are wrong...I don't know what the hell anyone ever did to you, but that's not ALL bisexuals. We have a right to exist as moral, peaceful people, and most of us are moral, peaceful people.
Nope people being whores and hookers are not doing a glamorous job, and yes it's true that a lot of times they're forced by someone else to do it.

But the people who pay for sex from prostitutes of any gender, or who advocate for legalization/decriminalization of prostitution are supporting human trafficking.

[Annika L]

As much as it pains the trolls to hear it,...

This quoted bit here is the only place I'll disagree, Elian.

Trolls feel no pain, for they are made from stone. The good news is that they return to the stone from which they are made when exposed to the Light of the Sun.

[charles-smythe]

This quoted bit here is the only place I'll disagree, Elian.

Trolls feel no pain, for they are made from stone. The good news is that they return to the stone from which they are made when exposed to the Light of the Sun....I get it...a troll is anyone with a different opinion than yours...
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...no reason I just like redheads...
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[Oralboy69]

So sexy

...I get it...a troll is anyone with a different opinion than yours...
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[Annika L]

...I get it...a troll is anyone with a different opinion than yours...


Seriously? You think that anyone with an opinion different from mine is made from stone and turns to stone in daylight? You're not even as bright as I thought.

[darkeyes]

...I get it...a troll is anyone with a different opinion than yours...
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...no reason I just like redheads...
. ahaaa.... Don u worry Chas-Smith... Have disagreed win Annika moren u've gotten outa bed of a morning... she dusn't think me 2 b a trollie. However, them that dont like bein disagreed wiv, sometimes Trollies themselves, like 2 accuse the disagreeable as being troll as a smokescreen... take note.. I used the word sometimes... more usually folk that dont like 2 b disagreed wiv r pompous numpties who simply dont like peeps arguing wiv them cos they r full of their own self importance and have thin skins and easily bruised egos..:tongue: .. and no... Annika isn't such a folk...:bigrin:

Am married 2 sexiest red head I know.. do I need 2 lock her safely away or does the fact that red isn't her natural colour keep her safe, hmmmm;)?

[HappyHedonic]

I used to visit this more often....I originally joined because I want(ed) to hook up with other bisexuals in my area and to support other bisexual-minded people who were curious and thinking of coming out, struggling with accepting their sexuality or being accepted by others. I have found that there are very few people on this site who are geographically close to me and are not cheating on their significant other. A lot of the questions being posted in the forum nowadays are pretty mundane ("Do you swallow cum?", etc), and those who do post with valid questions usually get a lot of responses before I get there so I would just be posting redundant answers.

That leaves the titilating (sp?) porn pics occasionally posted that I enjoy seeing, but I don't come here for porn so it's usually just a quick stopover on my way to porn sites. I check in hoping that some new member may be in my area, and might just be the cool guy/gal/couple that I've been hoping to meet.

Coincidentally, I too have a fetish for women with tattoos. :-)

[Sukoli]

I came here initially so my wife and I could find a bisexual couple, but so far all we have seen is just male and creepy ones at that.
snyone know of somewhere else we could look.

[sysper]

i can't deny, i enjoy most of the pix especially this thread. but that's not why i come here. not expecting to meet ne1 here either. i come here to try & make sense of my sexuality. i'm open to support & learn from others like me & others who are more sure of themselves.

[open2both]

Exactly!
I'm visiting this site less & less… sadly.
Sigh.
But still a worthy endeavor.
;-]

[open2both]

ABSOLUTELY!

[open2both]

NICE!!!!

[open2both]

NOW I'M RE-ENERGIZED!!
YAY US!!!

[pole_smoker]

NOW I'M RE-ENERGIZED!!
YAY US!!!
Did you ejaculate to the pictures of the women licking their pussies and clits, and pics of men's cocks posted?

http://images.premiumgalleries.aebn.net/A147974_S703244.jpg

[charles-smythe]

Seriously? You think that anyone with an opinion different from mine is made from stone and turns to stone in daylight? You're not even as bright as I thought....I believe what I said would be considered sarcasm...
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[tenni]

Charles
I believe what you are posting is spam porn.

[Annika L]

...I believe what I said would be considered sarcasm...

People believe all kinds of things, I suppose.

Since we're talking about beliefs, I guess I'd have to say that my beliefs align more closely with tenni's on the issue of what's happening in this thread.

[Coastocoast]

The original thread was asking if it was still a bisexual site, a valid question to ask. The subject was discussed. IF you wanted to post porn start a porn thread. Disrupting the subject matter of a thread just to do it is closer to the definition of troll. Other troll behaviors: intentionally over posting on the boards, using multiple profiles to argue with yourself or to back your point, intentionally irritating people to the point where others avoid the site. Most are reasonable here and it does not take a lot of effort to do so.

[pole_smoker]

The original thread was asking if it was still a bisexual site, a valid question to ask. The subject was discussed. IF you wanted to post porn start a porn thread. Disrupting the subject matter of a thread just to do it is closer to the definition of troll. Other troll behaviors: intentionally over posting on the boards, using multiple profiles to argue with yourself or to back your point, intentionally irritating people to the point where others avoid the site. Most are reasonable here and it does not take a lot of effort to do so.

http://www.fhblogs.com/thumbnails/nhbv-229.jpg

[tenni]

Very good points Coast.

off the thread topic but on point regarding the nude images posted on this thread.
Post 63 is by a cheater. He stole the image and has not paid reproduction fees to the photographer owner. He is a copyright cheater and yet acts so holier than though over other cheaters...That seems like hypocritical behaviour.

Similarly the porn images posted on this thread are stolen from photographers by cheaters.

Delusional denial to follow by the troll clones. ;)

[pole_smoker]

Very good points Coast.

off the thread topic but on point regarding the nude images posted on this thread.
Post 63 is by a cheater. He stole the image and has not paid reproduction fees to the photographer owner. He is a copyright cheater and yet acts so holier than though over other cheaters...That seems like hypocritical behaviour.

Similarly the porn images posted on this thread are stolen from photographers by cheaters.

Delusional denial to follow by the troll clones. ;)
Tenni you're the only troll and delusional one here...that doesn't understand how image hosting actually works.

The images being posted are free to use, and repost as they're hosted via google. It's not as though I'm claiming that they're my pictures or hosting them on a server I own. :rolleyes:

[AGuyIKnow]

Tenni you're the only troll and delusional one here...I think if made a useful pole about this, you'd find out that you're sadly mistaken.

How many useless poles have you made just this week alone that have no bisexual content in them? It's pretty clear that you fit the troll definition to a tee.

[pole_smoker]

I think if made a useful pole about this, you'd find out that you're sadly mistaken.

How many useless poles have you made just this week alone that have no bisexual content in them? It's pretty clear that you fit the troll definition to a tee.
I've made plenty of polls that have bisexual content in them.

[tenni]

Explain your understanding of the difference between a bisexual poll and a gay poll?
How is this poll a bisexual poll? ( Guys do you beg to have your ass full of cum?)

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Clearly pole doesn't understand copyright. Just because you get an image from a so called "free" domain doesn't mean that it was not stolen by an immoral cheater. Do you know the photographer and are they identified on the site as "common domaine" I think is how it is referred to in your country but I may be wrong. The photographer needs to announce that he is giving free use of the image as long as certain features are acknowledged.

NOPE POLI you are an immoral cheater who has not proven that you know the photographer's name and can provide his write up giving free use of his images.

[pole_smoker]

Clearly pole doesn't understand copyright. Just because you get an image from a so called "free" domain doesn't mean that it was not stolen by an immoral cheater. Do you know the photographer and are they identified on the site as "common law" I think is how it is referred to in your country but I may be wrong. The photographer needs to announce that he is giving free use of the image as long as certain features are acknowledged.

NOPE POLI you are an immoral cheater who has not proven that you know the photographer's name and can provide his write up giving free use of his images.

Explain the difference to a bisexual poll and a gay poll? As others have told you your so called polls are sophomoric near juvenile anatomical polls
The ignore feature works best on trolls like Tenni that ramble on about nothing.

[AGuyIKnow]

Pole, your posts and poles are so overwhelming gay that you don't even fit in here anymore. You may have been bisexual but it clearly show that you aren't now.

Take a look at the threads that you've started in the last month and you'll see what I mean. We don't care if you're gay, you are what you are. It's time that you come out and at least admit it to yourself.

[pole_smoker]

Pole, your posts and poles are so overwhelming gay that you don't even fit in here anymore. You may have been bisexual but it clearly show that you aren't now.

Take a look at the threads that you've started in the last month and you'll see what I mean. We don't care if you're gay, you are what you are. It's time that you come out and at least admit it to yourself.
Nice try.

I'm bisexual, and it doesn't matter what bigoted homophobic and biphobic trolls like yourself think. You don't know me or my partner-who is also bisexual, and the idea that you can tell someone's sexuality based on their posts and polls just shows you need to put down the crack or meth pipe.

[charles-smythe]

I think if made a useful pole about this, you'd find out that you're sadly mistaken.

How many useless poles have you made just this week alone that have no bisexual content in them? It's pretty clear that you fit the troll definition to a tee....make your pole...
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...FYI:...I like pole_smokers poles...

[AGuyIKnow]

You don't know me or my partner-who is also bisexual, and the idea that you can tell someone's sexuality...
Are you serious? Now you can add being a hypocrite. You do this to people a lot on here, without even the slightest hint of 'in my opinion'.

[pole_smoker]

Are you serious? Now you can add being a hypocrite. You do this to people a lot on here, without even the slightest hint of 'in my opinion'.
Nope I'm not hypocritical, as neither my husband or I use drugs or are gay men despite what some troll from flyover country who does not understand bisexuality thinks.

[AGuyIKnow]

Nope I'm not hypocritical, as neither my husband or I use drugs...
:eek: Not quite the response I was expecting to that word...

[elmwood7]

I think as far as the original question asked in this post yes it's still a bisexual site. Is it a good 1. No. In the last 5 or 6 yrs. it's been overrun with troll's and self serving people who have corrupted what it used to be. Those who have been here longer than 5 yrs. know this is true.

[charles-smythe]

I think as far as the original question asked in this post yes it's still a bisexual site. Is it a good 1. No. In the last 5 or 6 yrs. it's been overrun with troll's and self serving people who have corrupted what it used to be. Those who have been here longer than 5 yrs. know this is true....If you've been here over years and only posted 57 times you aren't exactly a very active ember..

[tenni]

I think as far as the original question asked in this post yes it's still a bisexual site. Is it a good 1. No. In the last 5 or 6 yrs. it's been overrun with troll's and self serving people who have corrupted what it used to be. Those who have been here longer than 5 yrs. know this is true.

Sorry for the troll attack elmwood. Trolls apparently are unaware that chat was important aspect of bi.com for some active long term members. Trolls typically spam the forum and trolls frequently rack up 145 posts of nonsense within a few weeks. That is pretty much the arrogance of a thinks he knows it a troll and her/his clones. I joined around six months before Cat..around Nov. 2006 with a different user name. elmwood is clearly a long term member. I think that there was good and bad as far as clickiness but there was clearly more empathy and bisexual discussions about support and bisexual awareness/bi politics. There was no where near the dumb down level and sophomoric porn.

[pole_smoker]

Sorry for the troll attack elmwood. Trolls apparently are unaware that chat was important aspect of bi.com for some active long term members. Trolls typically spam the forum and trolls frequently rack up 145 posts of nonsense within a few weeks. That is pretty much the arrogance of a thinks he knows it a troll and her/his clones. I joined around six months before Cat..around Nov. 2006 with a different user name. elmwood is clearly a long term member. I think that there was good and bad as far as clickiness but there was clearly more empathy and bisexual discussions about support and bisexual awareness/bi politics. There was no where near the dumb down level and sophomoric porn.
There you go again claiming that everyone else except you is a "troll". :rolleyes: Charles' post was not an "attack" and he's not a troll.

It doesn't matter if someone's a long term member or any of that nonsense you're posting. This site has always been about sex, and even amateur porn; but this is an adult hookup/sex site. If you need further proof of this look at old posts and threads which anyone can easily do via the search engine.

[Annika L]

There you go again claiming that everyone else except you is a "troll". :rolleyes: Charles' post was not an "attack" and he's not a troll.

It doesn't matter if someone's a long term member or any of that nonsense you're posting. This site has always been about sex, and even amateur porn; but this is an adult hookup/sex site. If you need further proof of this look at old posts and threads which anyone can easily do via the search engine.

You and Charlie hardly constitute "everyone else except tenni".

[tenni]

Unless your membership states that you started around 2005, a person does not qualify to use words like "always". Elmwood falls within that honour. I'm just a little behind that as is Annika. Anyone whose membership starts with 2014 or 2015 is a newbie and unqualified to comment on what this site is or is not.

[pole_smoker]

Unless your membership states that you started around 2005, a person does not qualify to use words like "always". Elmwood falls within that honour. I'm just a little behind that as is Annika. Anyone whose membership starts with 2014 or 2015 is a newbie and unqualified to comment on what this site is or is not.
Nonsense. Anyone can freely look at past posts, and they'll quickly realize that this has always been a sex/hookup/adult, cyber-sex, and amateur porn site. Or don't you know how to UTFSE? The 2nd part of your post where you think that the year someone registered on this site actually matters is funny since you take it all so seriously.

[elian]

Well I joined in 2007 and at that time a routine complaint in the forums was that people couldn't find anyone to "hook up with on this site" - they couldn't understand the purpose of this site and were actually put off by it because they assumed it was just like any other "adult" site on the 'net.

At that time we discussed politics, sports, relationships, issues regarding coming out and any manner of topics - the site actually felt more like family than a hook-up site. That is why I was willing to tolerate certain people posting, because just like family members you sort of learn their idiosyncrasies and since we all have quirks it was possible to overlook the way a person phrased something and examine the true idea behind what they were saying.

It is true that there used to be threads about oral sex and a few fetishes, but the difference is they weren't spammed - five threads in a row - about the same topic. ..and I try to be respectful of others, but I have never seen someone use an adult photograph that takes up 1/4 of a page as a sig block in their post before now.

At that time chat was unreliable, but it did still work and it was free to use - so if there was any hooking up going on, it was probably done by private message in chat. When Drew added new software to the site he decided to make chat "for pay" (did I get that right?) .. I guess the discussion forums would be another outlet folks might try to use if they can't use chat as an alternative..but there are special interest groups in the new software for folks with certain kinks or common interests to share..

What I remember was that there was a time when folks felt safe to ask a serious question about suspecting their partner was bisexual, or a bisexual person wanting advice on how to deal with coming out. Why would you deny someone who is looking for that advice any comfort and support? ..but that's what ends up happening.

There are many hook-up sites on the internet..the reason I came to this site, and the reason I have over 2,300 posts is because it -was- unlike any of those other sites. I met one man on here who I will never forget -because- he was a lot more than just a hook up (actually a few nice friends).

For the record, Drew has never personally solicited funds from me directly - It would be nice to support the site, but it was never compulsory - and I am actually in Drew's debt for that..because there are times it was nice just to be able to reach out to someone else with the same feelings and concerns..I don't hang out in bars so this was a nice place to have at least a semi-intellegent discussion.

I don't mind at all if people talk about fetishes, but it gets overwhelming when 3/4 of the threads are such, and more or less duplicates at that. Even if one of us DOES start a thread, as was suggested - it often gets pushed to the bottom of the first page within a day or two because of the tidal wave of explicit discussion.

If you like reading about fetishes try this site:

http://www.nifty.org/nifty

..actually we did have a few writers start some erotic story threads on here but they only lasted as long as folks had the energy and desire to keep going - then they get consumed by the other conversation. I have the feeling that a lot of those folks have moved on, they had a lot of talent. If those folks no longer desire to put the energy into this site there's not much I can do about it.

Anyone who has had to question their sexuality knows that LGBT rights are about more than just sex.

[pole_smoker]

Well I joined in 2007 and at that time a routine complaint in the forums was that people couldn't find anyone to "hook up with on this site" - they couldn't understand the purpose of this site and were actually put off by it because they assumed it was just like any other "adult" site on the 'net.

At that time we discussed politics, sports, relationships, issues regarding coming out and any manner of topics - the site actually felt more like family than a hook-up site. That is why I was willing to tolerate certain people posting, because just like family members you sort of learn their idiosyncrasies and since we all have quirks it was possible to overlook the way a person phrased something and examine the true idea behind what they were saying.

It is true that there used to be threads about oral sex and a few fetishes, but the difference is they weren't spammed - five threads in a row - about the same topic. ..and I try to be respectful of others, but I have never seen someone use an adult photograph that takes up 1/4 of a page as a sig block in their post before now.

At that time chat was unreliable, but it did still work and it was free to use - so if there was any hooking up going on, it was probably done by private message in chat. When Drew added new software to the site he decided to make chat "for pay" (did I get that right?) .. I guess the discussion forums would be another outlet folks might try to use if they can't use chat as an alternative..but there are special interest groups in the new software for folks with certain kinks or common interests to share..

What I remember was that there was a time when folks felt safe to ask a serious question about suspecting their partner was bisexual, or a bisexual person wanting advice on how to deal with coming out. Why would you deny someone who is looking for that advice any comfort and support? ..but that's what ends up happening.

There are many hook-up sites on the internet..the reason I came to this site, and the reason I have over 2,300 posts is because it -was- unlike any of those other sites. I met one man on here who I will never forget -because- he was a lot more than just a hook up (actually more than one).

For the record, Drew has never personally solicited funds from me directly - It would be nice to support the site, but it was never compulsory - and I am actually in Drew's debt for that..because there are times it was nice just to be able to reach out to someone else with the same feelings and concerns..I don't hang out in bars so this was a nice place to have at least a semi-intellegent discussion.

I don't mind at all if people talk about fetishes, but it gets overwhelming when 3/4 of the threads are such, and more or less duplicates at that. Even if one of us DOES start a thread, as was suggested - it often gets pushed to the bottom of the first page within a day or two because of the tidal wave of explicit discussion.

If you like reading about fetishes try this site:

http://www.nifty.org/nifty

..actually we did have a few writers start some erotic story threads on here but they only lasted as long as folks had the energy and desire to keep going - then they get consumed by the other conversation. I have the feeling that a lot of those folks have moved on, they had a lot of talent. If those folks no longer desire to put the energy into this site there's not much I can do about it.

Anyone who has had to question their sexuality knows that LGBT rights are about more than just sex.
I've been told by single bi, hetero, and gay friends that the majority of adult sites that claim to be hook up sites wind up being full of fake profiles, people who will gladly trade pics and email/chat with you or even talk on the phone, and do all sort of things except actually meeting for sex and a hook up like you did with the guy you hooked up with here how that's a very rare thing.

Blowjobs, cum, cock, cunt, etc. are not fetishes and there are very few fetish threads on here. This is a site for bisexual so I don't care if people write about sucking dick, or eating cunt, fucking cunt, women fucking each other with strapons or their hands, or men fucking a man's ass or men getting fucked, by a man or two men or women masturbating together, and 3 ways, since those are all staples of bisexual sex.

[elian]

Well if such a site is rare to find on the internet, don't you think it is worth preserving the fact that it is different?, that the people here genuinely have an interest in helping other people? It might be hard to believe but it is true - it takes time and energy to come up with a good answer - not saying any of us are perfect.

If I didn't believe in that I would have given up posting here a long time ago, but honestly before I ran into this site I would have never even realized "bisexual" was more that "double your chances for a date".

When I saw the depth of threads on here, that discussed all of those desires and people's serious concerns it was like a light bulb went on over my head, "Hey, these are real people, maybe it's not just "black and white" but a whole continuum of what people want and like sexually and romantically."

The site was fairly open, but it was always done with respect - you gave people the benefit of the doubt because you honestly don't know the entire life experience of another person unless you walk in their shoes.

Sadly there were some disagreements and personal conflicts that people just could not bridge, even though we all struggle with something in life.


I've been told by single bi, hetero, and gay friends that the majority of adult sites that claim to be hook up sites wind up being full of fake profiles, people who will gladly trade pics and email/chat with you or even talk on the phone, and do all sort of things except actually meeting for sex and a hook up like you did with the guy you hooked up with here how that's a very rare thing.

[pole_smoker]

Well if such a site is rare to find on the internet, don't you think it is worth preserving the fact that it is different?, that the people here genuinely have an interest in helping other people? It might be hard to believe but it is true - it takes time and energy to come up with a good answer - not saying any of us are perfect.

If I didn't believe in that I would have given up posting here a long time ago, but honestly before I ran into this site I would have never even realized "bisexual" was more that "double your chances for a date".

When I saw the depth of threads on here, that discussed all of those desires and people's serious concerns it was like a light bulb went on over my head, "Hey, these are real people, maybe it's not just "black and white" but a whole continuum of what people want and like sexually and romantically."

The site was fairly open, but it was always done with respect - you gave people the benefit of the doubt because you honestly don't know the entire life experience of another person unless you walk in their shoes.

Sadly there were some disagreements and personal conflicts that people just could not bridge, even though we all struggle with something in life.
I didn't say that this site is rare since it's not, it's just a hookup/sex/adult, and amateur porn site. I wrote that it's rare that you met someone on the internet who you actually met and hooked up, and had sex with.

[elmwood7]

It might be true that the date I joined means nothing but I think the fact that I as well as Elian, Annika, Tenni and others have stayed here for as long as we have does mean something. It's also true that this was once a good site for friends and others to meet and chat or discuss things in the forums. Personally I was invited here by a friend on another site. She too is still here. I also don't think you should judge me as not a very active member because I've only posted 57 times. I generally don't think most threads on here warrant my response. If you could look back over the years you would see that I log into this site everyday without exception. Why is none of your business but I will continue to do so as long as I can. While it might be true that newer members have their own ideas of what this site is I and others know what it was and continues to be for us. And personally I don't care what anyone else thinks.

[elian]

I respectfully disagree - I mean, it was years ago, but for a while they actually had a series of comic strips called "Choices" on here, I don't think it was X rated - does that sound like a porn site? This site used to deal with ALL aspects of what it meant to be bisexual, not just our sexual desires.

Sure, the owner hosted a porn site, and I am not opposed to bisexual porn as long as the participants are willing participants. I am sure that it is true that it helped support whatever he wanted to do with the revenue (like fund this site maybe) - but the two sites were separated. I admire looking at the human form too but the reason I objected so strongly before is that I think it is also worth having a place where people can go to know that they appreciated for more than just their bodies.

People push sex in this culture, and they push it hard - when 13 year old children think they need to be "sexy" because that is the behavior they see all around them.. that's just sad. I'm just saying, it's nice to have a place to talk about the experience of being bisexual where that's not the emphasis - when there are so many other sites that are.. I'm not opposed to talking about sex, but it's frustrating to see it in every thread. Of course, that's just my opinion, and there are a lot of members on the site.

Actually, the porn site was exclusively bisexual, which I thought was unique at the time - because most other sites categorize bisexual as just another kink.


I didn't say that this site is rare since it's not, it's just a hookup/sex/adult, and amateur porn site. I wrote that it's rare that you met someone on the internet who you actually met and hooked up, and had sex with.

[pole_smoker]

I respectfully disagree - I mean, it was years ago, but for a while they actually had a series of comic strips called "Choices" on here, I don't think it was X rated - does that sound like a porn site? This site used to deal with ALL aspects of what it meant to be bisexual, not just our sexual desires.

Sure, the owner hosted a porn site, and I am not opposed to bisexual porn as long as the participants are willing participants. I am sure that it is true that it helped support whatever he wanted to do with the revenue (like fund this site maybe) - but the two sites were separated. I admire looking at the human form too but the reason I objected so strongly before is that I think it is also worth having a place where people can go to know that they appreciated for more than just their bodies.

People push sex in this culture, and they push it hard - when 13 year old children think they need to be "sexy" because that is the behavior they see all around them.. that's just sad. I'm just saying, it's nice to have a place to talk about the experience of being bisexual where that's not the emphasis - when there are so many other sites that are.. I'm not opposed to talking about sex, but it's frustrating to see it in every thread. Of course, that's just my opinion, and there are a lot of members on the site.

Actually, the porn site was exclusively bisexual, which I thought was unique at the time - because most other sites categorize bisexual as just another kink.
All you're doing now is simply just proving how this site was and still is a sex/porn/hook up site.


I looked up the comic strip "Choices" and yes it was X rated as it had the characters naked and having sex.


People in porn even the people who run sites or film it, don't make a lot of money. The performers make very little money and make more money by being whores or prostitutes on the side; but it's been this way for decades.


Bisexual porn or porn that's exclusively bisexual is nothing new. I remember first seeing it in the 70s and for sure in the 80s, and the porn site owned by "Drew" whoever he/she/they are is not unique.


Appreciated for more than their bodies? A lot of profiles and personal ads here have pics of people's cunts, cocks, or nude bodies and even older threads mention this. But this is a hookup/sex/amateur porn site and always has been despite what some people will claim.

[charles-smythe]

...I'm still unsure what everyone's problem...how can there be a bisexual web-site...& not talk about sex?...grant you there other things to talk about but they seemed to getting talked about...

[pole_smoker]

...I'm still unsure what everyone's problem...how can there be a bisexual web-site...& not talk about sex?...grant you there other things to talk about but they seemed to getting talked about...
Exactly.

There are lots of prudes on this site who don't want there to be any sex talk, or nude pics on an adult bisexual sex site. :rolleyes:

If these prudes don't like a topic or thread they should just simply not read it or click on it, or reply to it...instead of acting foolish and throwing temper tantrums.

[elian]

To some extent it's a reaction to the fact that I miss my friends, and that idea that I would like new members to have the same opportunity to build community that we had.

[Annika L]

Exactly.

There are lots of prudes on this site who don't want there to be any sex talk, or nude pics on an adult bisexual sex site. :rolleyes:

If these prudes don't like a topic or thread they should just simply not read it or click on it, or reply to it...instead of acting foolish and throwing temper tantrums.

Hmmm, I've never heard anyone advocate that there be no sex talk on this site. Ever. I don't believe the prudes you refer to actually exist, let alone exist in large numbers. I believe you're being a bit of a drama queen there. *rolls eyes back at you*

[pole_smoker]

Hmmm, I've never heard anyone advocate that there be no sex talk on this site. Ever. I don't believe the prudes you refer to actually exist, let alone exist in large numbers. I believe you're being a bit of a drama queen there. *rolls eyes back at you*
Nope, I'm not being a drama queen. Just being honest.

Some of them even posted in this thread saying how they didn't like seeing porn pics, or discussions of sex on a bisexual adult sex/amateur porn, and sex/hook up site like this.

[Annika L]

Nope, I'm not being a drama queen. Just being honest.

Some of them even posted in this thread saying how they didn't like seeing porn pics, or discussions of sex on a bisexual adult sex/amateur porn, and sex/hook up site like this.

"They" (meaning I) said they didn't want to see porn posted in a thread that wasn't about porn. Shocking!!

But unless you can produce a direct quote from this thread of someone saying they think there should be no sex talk on this site or any porn on this site, then you are either being a drama queen, or simply outright lying. I know where my money is.

[pole_smoker]

"They" (meaning I) said they didn't want to see porn posted in a thread that wasn't about porn. Shocking!!

But unless you can produce a direct quote from this thread of someone saying they think there should be no sex talk on this site or any porn on this site, then you are either being a drama queen, or simply outright lying. I know where my money is.
First off, I'm not writing about this thread only. I meant on this site in general you'll have people who do post how despite being on a bisexual porn/sex/amateur hook up site they don't want to see pics of naked people or read discussions about OMG adults having sex with each other. :rolleyes:

[elian]

Dude, when a signature block takes up quarter of a page per post, that's just bad internet etiquette .. I don't care whether it's a porn photo or a picture of cute fuzzy kittens.

[pole_smoker]

Dude, when a signature block takes up quarter of a page per post, that's just bad internet etiquette .. I don't care whether it's a porn photo or a picture of cute fuzzy kittens.
Signature block? Nobody has a signature block like this, or a signature like this on their posts.

[elian]

Try posts # 37, 47 and 59 in this thread. Posting a one line response with a huge ass pornographic picture under it that has no relationship to what the poster is talking about in the one line response - in my opinion - looks similar to what people would do with a sig block.

I could be wrong, and it's not my intention to single out that one member/poster, but it makes what is supposed to be a serious discussion very hard to follow. Why not post the pornographic photo in the pornographic thread instead? Sorry I encouraged this behavior by complimenting andeep. I wouldn't mind seeing just one photo, but three of them closely posted together in the middle of a heated debate frosted my cookies. (/me prefers gingerbread, with sprinkles)

Of course maybe he's right - maybe we should all just have sex with each other until we work out these conflicts..sadly sex isn't everything.

The comment about people posting their genitals instead of their faces was discussed a long time ago. To summarize the thread responses - some folks do it because that is what they are interested in, some folks do it because they fear the public repercussions of showing their face in a bisexual site online.

[pole_smoker]

Try posts # 37, 47 and 59 in this thread. Posting a one line response with a huge ass pornographic picture under it that has no relationship to what the poster is talking about in the one line response - in my opinion - looks similar to what people would do with a sig block.

I could be wrong, and it's not my intention to single out that one member/poster, but it makes what is supposed to be a serious discussion very hard to follow. Why not post the pornographic photo in the pornographic thread instead? Sorry I encouraged this behavior by complimenting andeep. I wouldn't mind seeing just one photo, but three of them closely posted together in the middle of a heated debate frosted my cookies. (/me prefers gingerbread, with sprinkles)

Of course maybe he's right - maybe we should all just have sex with each other until we work out these conflicts..sadly sex isn't everything.

The comment about people posting their genitals instead of their faces was discussed a long time ago. To summarize the thread responses - some folks do it because that is what they are interested in, some folks do it because they fear the public repercussions of showing their face in a bisexual site online.
OK that's a reply to a post, not a signature/signature block.

If you're annoyed about pr0n pics, and people's genitals that they post why are you on an adult sex, hook up, and bisexual site?

Porn pics, and pics of people's genitals cum with the type of site this is: an adult sex/hook up/amateur porn site.

[open2joy]

I would argue that it is still a bisexual site. In my mind and with my imagination engaged I can walk among all of you and know how you make me feel and whether or not I would desire an engagement with you of one kind or another. Titillation and heart felt communication each have their time and purpose in the grand scheme of things. I might have a preference but then again, so might you. Separated by time and distance but connected in a way through this awkward splintering of purposes and divergent expectations. Often that is all that's needed to create something special. Well, I'm game, let's give it a try. Knowing me to be bisexual, How would you like to feel about me and how do you want me to feel about you?

[Annika L]

First off, I'm not writing about this thread only. I meant on this site in general you'll have people who do post how despite being on a bisexual porn/sex/amateur hook up site they don't want to see pics of naked people or read discussions about OMG adults having sex with each other. :rolleyes:

Fair enough about not limiting your remark to this thread.

But I maintain I've never seen anyone here generically opposed to porn or erotic pictures on this site. Elian above (I believe) is complaining about them showing up on every post a person makes in a thread that isn't about sharing pictures. This was my same complaint. I don't believe either of us has any beef about threads devoted to that sort of thing.

Nor have I ever heard anyone say terribly otherwise. Ever. People may have lamented times when *every* thread was about porn, pictures, or heavily erotic content...because they also wanted some thoughtful discussion (yes, yes, you can argue that they should post it if so, but that's not the subject of this discussion...we're currently exploring whether anyone has ever said or feels that there should be no erotic content on this site...since you claim that *many* people here feel that way). I think you're making it up. Show me otherwise.

[elian]

The other thing I would say is that if someone on the site wants to have multiple personalities, go for it. I remember when I was 10 years old I didn't know who I wanted to be or what I wanted to do so when play time rolled around I would pretend to be about 4 or 5 different people. Most of the other children played along because they were just as a good at using their imaginations too.

Speaking from personal experience there are times when I -still- feel half masculine, half feminine and half child - and at any one given moment in time I never know which one is going to win out.

Eventually I think it would be a relief to integrate all of these different aspects of myself into a holistic identity but that is harder to do that you might think if you have strong feelings regarding relationships with others, gender, sexual acts, etc. The western way of thinking about this stuff, laden with guilt and shame - is not very healthy. I would be a lot more capable of resolving this issue if the word "wrong" wasn't drilled into me since the day I could walk.

Sorry - I know this isn't a therapy session, but we are trying to discuss some of the conflicts going on ..

[tenni]

I would argue that it is still a bisexual site. In my mind and with my imagination engaged I can walk among all of you and know how you make me feel and whether or not I would desire an engagement with you of one kind or another. Titillation and heart felt communication each have their time and purpose in the grand scheme of things. I might have a preference but then again, so might you. Separated by time and distance but connected in a way through this awkward splintering of purposes and divergent expectations. Often that is all that's needed to create something special. Well, I'm game, let's give it a try. Knowing me to be bisexual, How would you like to feel about me and how do you want me to feel about you?

Open
When this thread was started the site was full of same sex sexual activity. There was no thread about opposite gender sexual relationships nor men and women have a relationship with more than one gender. It read as a gay sexual titilation site. There were few if any discussing the life style options /choices/ struggles in the threads. There were no noticeable threads asking for advice about bisexuality. Pure sexual male penetrating male, glory holes, and other things about the male body were present.

The trolls reaction was to deny(usual) and post kink images of women same sex or threesomes of mixed gender. There was the occasional simplistic juvenile question asked that threw in women with men. No women responded or few of any women left on this gay male site.

It is not a matter of giving "it" a try. "It" same sex actions have been dominating this site Is this your bisexuality or meet any criteria of bisexuality? Does it not seem gay?

[pole_smoker]

Fair enough about not limiting your remark to this thread.

But I maintain I've never seen anyone here generically opposed to porn or erotic pictures on this site. Elian above (I believe) is complaining about them showing up on every post a person makes in a thread that isn't about sharing pictures. This was my same complaint. I don't believe either of us has any beef about threads devoted to that sort of thing.

Nor have I ever heard anyone say terribly otherwise. Ever. People may have lamented times when *every* thread was about porn, pictures, or heavily erotic content...because they also wanted some thoughtful discussion (yes, yes, you can argue that they should post it if so, but that's not the subject of this discussion...we're currently exploring whether anyone has ever said or feels that there should be no erotic content on this site...since you claim that *many* people here feel that way). I think you're making it up. Show me otherwise.
No I'm not making anything up. Secondly I don't care if some random woman on the internet believes me or not, or wants to argue semantics, split hairs, nit-pick, over-analyze, and take everything I post way too seriously. You can find old threads on this site where people (despite being on an adult sex, hook-up, amateur porn bisexual site), complain about nude pics and amateur porn pics.

[Annika L]

No I'm not making anything up. Secondly I don't care if some random woman on the internet believes me or not, or wants to argue semantics, split hairs, nit-pick, over-analyze, and take everything I post way too seriously. You can find old threads on this site where people (despite being on an adult sex, hook-up, amateur porn bisexual site), complain about nude pics and amateur porn pics.

*smile* Oh fear not...I don't take anything you say seriously at all. From what you show here, you have all posture and no substance.

[pole_smoker]

*smile* Oh fear not...I don't take anything you say seriously at all. From what you show here, you have all posture and no substance.
Whatever. :rolleyes: Your post and attitude is yet another example of people being total prudes on an adult sex/hookup/amateur porn bisexual site.

[elian]

I think people can be both intelligent and sensual at the same time..

[elian]

Yes tenni, I did notice a large number of threads about gay male sex acts, I'm not opposed to male/male sex acts since that is a part of being bisexual. I'm just tired. If people want to enjoy themselves getting off reading the threads then fine, but yeah - the site seemingly has always been weak on the female opinion of the issue. I'm not so sure it would be a terrible thing to worship a woman every once in a while...my attention is drawn to "beautiful", compassionate people of both genders. I don't necessarily define "beauty" as "It echoes down cleavage canyon when you say hello."

Threads about sex for pay and some of the threads about childhood sexual experience sort of bothered me. I get that people want to share experiences, and I think it may even be healthy, at least until it becomes obsessive. I can't define what "obsessive" means by myself.

You know what I haven't seen in a while, a good ol' fashioned "tentacle sex" thread (grins, bangs head into desk). Again, I'm not so sure how such a thing would apply specifically to being bisexual - Everyone can enjoy tentacle sex, right? (sighs)

[Annika L]

Whatever. :rolleyes: Your post and attitude is yet another example of people being total prudes on an adult sex/hookup/amateur porn bisexual site.

Interesting. If my post reflects on how you're defining prudishness, then it doesn't jive well with the dictionary or common usage. But as you say, whatever.

[tenni]

Yes tenni, I did notice a large number of threads about gay male sex acts, I'm not opposed to male/male sex acts since that is a part of being bisexual. I'm just tired. If people want to enjoy themselves getting off reading the threads then fine, but yeah - the site seemingly has always been weak on the female opinion of the issue. I'm not so sure it would be a terrible thing to worship a woman every once in a while...my attention is drawn to "beautiful", compassionate people of both genders. I don't necessarily define "beauty" as "It echoes down cleavage canyon when you say hello."

Threads about sex for pay and some of the threads about childhood sexual experience sort of bothered me. I get that people want to share experiences, and I think it may even be healthy, at least until it becomes obsessive. I can't define what "obsessive" means by myself.

You know what I haven't seen in a while, a good ol' fashioned "tentacle sex" thread (grins, bangs head into desk). Again, I'm not so sure how such a thing would apply specifically to being bisexual - Everyone can enjoy tentacle sex, right? (sighs)

Elian
Of course, m2m sex is fine as is m2f. The site has frequently had more posts about issues for male bisexuals than women but not the extreme unhealthy focus that each time the troll appears. The objectification of a lover male or female screams through his/her posts with graphic obsessive focus on male anatomy. What is posted generally now is toilet sex and garbage sex. Image after image of genitals is not about bisexuality as much as cheater stolen porn images. It is unhealthy regardless of anyone' s moral perspective. Most threads are now kept active or brought back from the older threads by the trolls. Most that are brought back to the front page come from the purient nature of the disturbed mind of the trolls.

I agree that a person may show their intelligence and sensuality regardless of gender. Some see intelligence as sensually much more of a turn on than toilet sex images.

lol ...Tentacle sex? 34226

[elian]

I suppose it's best not to ask, but I do remember a discussion one time.



lol ...Tentacle sex?

[erosbydesign]

Now this is a good thread! Regarding this site was/ is/ will be ________, I still find it appealing as I explore what it means to me to be BI. I found an interesting story site- http://lushstories that has some really good writing. i did a story on there - a threeway my ex i had with another guy. As long as there are well-thought out, active threads like this- I'll keep coming back!

[rdy2go]

You're right darkeyes. It is not the same. too bad. I want to come back to talk to all the fantastic people I met here, but I don't know what to think anymore. So... If I never see you again.. Cheers! to my Favorite Highlander!!!!!

[open2joy]

Hello Tenni,

With your forgiveness I would remind you that the site started as a foil for Drew's more potentially profitable Three Pillows enterprise. Even so, as we all may be rats scurrying though a normal life' experimental habit trail, I am having a hard time understanding how that message actually translates into a coherent argument for all of us. Three pillows by definition are really two partners inviting a third for play. It's Play_Sexual. If its late enough, if you've had enough, Game is on.
I'm not that tangled up but I don't have a real problem with the three dogs on a bun argument.

Even better, I am still thinking about it.

[pole_smoker]

Hello Tenni,

With your forgiveness I would remind you that the site started as a foil for Drew's more potentially profitable Three Pillows enterprise.

Just ignore Tenni he's a troll and loves to attack anyone who he doesn't personally like or agree with.

Yes you are correct about this site being linked to the porn site. Was the porn site profitable? Probably not in today's world of free amateur porn where you can find lots of adults who make and put their own amateur porn online many of whom do all sort of fetish based or non-vanilla based sex that make vanilla sex like bisexual 3 ways very tame. Plus, despite the myth of what people in the porn biz claim at all levels you don't make a lot of money doing porn.

[darkeyes]

Elian
Of course, m2m sex is fine as is m2f. The site has frequently had more posts about issues for male bisexuals than women but not the extreme unhealthy focus that each time the troll appears. The objectification of a lover male or female screams through his/her posts with graphic obsessive focus on male anatomy. What is posted generally now is toilet sex and garbage sex. Image after image of genitals is not about bisexuality as much as cheater stolen porn images. It is unhealthy regardless of anyone' s moral perspective. Most threads are now kept active or brought back from the older threads by the trolls. Most that are brought back to the front page come from the purient nature of the disturbed mind of the trolls.

I agree that a person may show their intelligence and sensuality regardless of gender. Some see intelligence as sensually much more of a turn on than toilet sex images.

lol ...Tentacle sex? 34226
Tentacle sex is wot wudda happened had fran not managed 2 disentangle an' squirm out of the slimy clutches of numerous octopi... :eek2: Sometimes the octopus managed 2 win wot wos an unequal struggle.. well, I wos only lickle an' octopi tend 2 b big powerful lummoxes wiv (wot seemed like) 8 arms..:yikes2:.

[elian]

Hehehehe - I needed that Fran. Have a goood day (smiles)

[elian]

Wow pole, are you having a bad day or what? If this site is so unprofitable why is it worth your time to post here? Seems pretty rotten to insult the person who is enabling your participation on all of these threads.


Just ignore Tenni he's a troll and loves to attack anyone who he doesn't personally like or agree with.

Yes you are correct about this site being linked to the porn site. Was the porn site profitable? Probably not in today's world of free amateur porn where you can find lots of adults who make and put their own amateur porn online many of whom do all sort of fetish based or non-vanilla based sex that make vanilla sex like bisexual 3 ways very tame. Plus, despite the myth of what people in the porn biz claim at all levels you don't make a lot of money doing porn.

[darkeyes]

You're right darkeyes. It is not the same. too bad. I want to come back to talk to all the fantastic people I met here, but I don't know what to think anymore. So... If I never see you again.. Cheers! to my Favorite Highlander!!!!!Highlander:yikes2:? Am no highlander, tho we do have a wee but an' ben in the Grampians cos its stunning up there and besides.. is handy for the ski-ing wich Kate and the kids love and I endure at the cost of much bruising and the mirth of others:yikes2:.

Nope, am a lowland city girl from the capital, a place I love, with a surname of border reivers from the debatable land many of whom were hung for being naughty boys (treachery, rustling, murder, rape, general thievery) or were raped by naughty boys with other surnames and like most borderers of the 15th and 16th centuries were a mighty untrustworthy lot famed for inventing the term "blackmail" as much as owt else (the rustling of the black cattle of the area and holding them for ransom).... and am haff English for me pains... mum coming from Salford next to Manchester and haff me relations talk like summat out of Corrie (Coronation Street... rather dreadful British Soap)and even have an gr8 uncle who really says "ee bah goom (gum), lass" an' "by 'eck".. daft ole coot, but I do adore him... 97 and laffs more in a day than me Gran, his l8 sister, did in her entire life... Triff part of the world, gr8 fun, lots 2 do... just not, well.. beautiful.....worth a visit tho.. brill gay village...gr8 for pubbing n clubbing n shopping...

Tc of urself if u do disappear.. pity bout .com, but things change and sadly not allus for the better...:love87:

[tenni]

Hello Tenni,

With your forgiveness I would remind you that the site started as a foil for Drew's more potentially profitable Three Pillows enterprise. Even so, as we all may be rats scurrying though a normal life' experimental habit trail, I am having a hard time understanding how that message actually translates into a coherent argument for all of us. Three pillows by definition are really two partners inviting a third for play. It's Play_Sexual. If its late enough, if you've had enough, Game is on.
I'm not that tangled up but I don't have a real problem with the three dogs on a bun argument.

Even better, I am still thinking about it.

Open
Good points.

As far as three pillows and bi.com as a foil for Drew to earn money, it has not worked with me. Have you become a paying member of Three Pillows? How often do you go in to the Three Pillow site?

My understanding is that bi.com was established as a forum, a space to read members profiles and contact them, a place to "chat" but I'm not sure if chat was there at the start? Various members are here for various reasons.

Drew even created an option to voluntary be a paid member of bi.com to support the site financially. The concrete benefits were not why I was a paying member. I was one for a couple of years. Like a few others have mentioned the direction is no longer something that I wanted to support. Bisexual.com was not set up for one purpose but with its revisions a few years back Drew was setting it up for diversity. The blog section was set up for members who requested a spot where they could write their thoughts, feelings and was kept very open. There was no compulsory criteria other than a place for people who wanted to write more than a few lines like on the threads. It was place for every poster to blog.

Similarly, the group sections were created for people who had a certain interest whether geographical, subject based could gather and have their discussions all in one spot.

I have to wonder why charlie and pole do not create a group for their sexual interests? The group section is for geographical or interest in common can go to to post/ discuss the topic of the group. All posters who want to talk about circumcision or cheating can have their own spot. Hell, pole could create a group just for people in New York who want to "talk" about cheating..lol

The fact that you are still thinking shows that is what the threads are about.

[open2joy]

Hi again Tenni,
Yes, I was a paying subscriber for Three Pillows. I thought the content was tastefully presented while keeping the hot factor a click away but also a click too far, depending on your preferences. (I also really liked the cartoons) My former companion didn't share my warm and fuzzy feelings and I awkwardly cancelled my subscription with Drew,who was more available then but not particularly sorry to see me go. Haven't felt the need to go back lately but would in a heartbeat should I stumble upon lonely times.

But I keep coming back to the site here and now, Is it still a bisexual site? I think so. And even allowing for the fact that I am not a major contributor, I am still feeling the same vibe I was feeling before when herd of cats was the mental image I was seeing. It would be nice, but this is not an adult hook up site. It's not amateur porn. It's not a "How To BLANK" instructional manual.

Guys/Gals, it is just us here so why don't we just remake it in our own image. Whatever that might be....

[pole_smoker]

Hi again Tenni,
Yes, I was a paying subscriber for Three Pillows. I thought the content was tastefully presented while keeping the hot factor a click away but also a click too far, depending on your preferences. (I also really liked the cartoons) My former companion didn't share my warm and fuzzy feelings and I awkwardly cancelled my subscription with Drew,who was more available then but not particularly sorry to see me go. Haven't felt the need to go back lately but would in a heartbeat should I stumble upon lonely times.

But I keep coming back to the site here and now, Is it still a bisexual site? I think so. And even allowing for the fact that I am not a major contributor, I am still feeling the same vibe I was feeling before when herd of cats was the mental image I was seeing. It would be nice, but this is not an adult hook up site. It's not amateur porn. It's not a "How To BLANK" instructional manual.

Guys/Gals, it is just us here so why don't we just remake it in our own image. Whatever that might be....
Um, yeah it is an amateur porn/hook up, adult bisexual site, and it always has been even if you go back and read old threads you'll see how this is true.

If new people who haven't eaten a cunt or sucked a cock want to ask questions about this I'm OK with it but they're not going to really know what it's actually like until they actually do it.

[tenni]

Hi again Tenni,
Yes, I was a paying subscriber for Three Pillows. I thought the content was tastefully presented while keeping the hot factor a click away but also a click too far, depending on your preferences. (I also really liked the cartoons) My former companion didn't share my warm and fuzzy feelings and I awkwardly cancelled my subscription with Drew,who was more available then but not particularly sorry to see me go. Haven't felt the need to go back lately but would in a heartbeat should I stumble upon lonely times.

But I keep coming back to the site here and now, Is it still a bisexual site? I think so. And even allowing for the fact that I am not a major contributor, I am still feeling the same vibe I was feeling before when herd of cats was the mental image I was seeing. It would be nice, but this is not an adult hook up site. It's not amateur porn. It's not a "How To BLANK" instructional manual.

Guys/Gals, it is just us here so why don't we just remake it in our own image. Whatever that might be....

Hi open
Interesting perspective and good to read from a long time (first year ?) member. Since you have so few posts, would I be correct to believe that you mostly used chat? Or were you inclined to be a quiet observer without comment? Either way, I hold your view as important.

I definitely agree that the primary purpose is not a hook up site.

However, when I started on this site in 2006 I did look at the site as a bisexual hook up opportunity. That did not really work for me though but I became keenly interested in bisexual peeps.

Previously, I found information and community spirit on a gay site that also was not primarily a hook up site. I enjoyed the camaraderie and frank honest opinions on sex, humour and politics. Me being me..I would get into discourse on politics. It was fun and stimulating. It did educate me on how viewpoints differ between bisexual men and gay men. ..especially their gay view of women and vaginas...lol They knew that I and a few others were bi. We were attacked but also defended and respected by most of the main posters. There was far more acceptance of biguys by these gaymen than rejection. That site was the first place where a long time out gay man posted that he was having feelings of curiosity about being with a woman sexually. He discussed his boundaries and said that he could not be comfortable without a man present with him and a woman. Fascinating, honest, non judgmental dialogues. The site went under. I transitioned to this site but I am also on a biguy site where there is moderation and very intelligent, honest, open discussion between men. Non sexual issue of even male grooming are discussed. I don't think that these issues have been discussed on this site..in part because of the categories on the other site.

I think that any bisexual site needs to create a place of feeling safe to write from yourself your fears etc. without having to fear rejection. Rejection on a bisite is a killer..except this excessive gratuitous sex porn. Such behaviour lowers the value of site except to jerk off..lol

I also agree with you that it is not amateur porn as a primary purpose. Hell, you can see same sex amateur porn on sites like Squirt. There is no special category on this site specifically for amateur porn like there is on Squirt.

I do think that there is a place for more information sex practices on this site. Gratuitous mindless dribble with unintelligent threads like have you ever.... do not add to the site. They degrade the site and discourse on bisexuality.

[open2joy]

Hello Tenni and Pole,

I apologize for this briefest of responses but it is a school day. More no doubt later. I can't agree that this site has ever been a hookup site. TP shoots and artwork were cast towards a amateur perspective but only advertised on .com and delivered on TP. I do remember one or two brief forays into the then lively forum boards but I suspect my perspective wasn't exactly on center at the time. Not sure it is ever on center.

Pole says I should read the threads from the old days and I don't mind doing that but I still know that the personal ads are dying on the vine. If you're to take a look at the real world and the way that BT people hook up, It is definitely not happening on .com.

Happily, I don't have to ask anyone's advice about "eating a cunt" or "sucking a cock"... as there is a wealth of photo/video evidence online in addition to the alleged occasional slip and fall I may have made personally in pursuit of my own sexuality.

You know, It may seem silly now but the time for all of us to have a voice, to make a difference and secure our rights as human beings is now.

I am not really sure that gratuitous, mindless drivel with unintelligent threads is necessarily a bad thing. We are not recruiting but if we were then that platform would bring in a lot of lambs that would otherwise to the slaughter go.

I'm just not certain that you aren't already doing what you are meant to be doing.

Regards,
M

[pole_smoker]

Hello Tenni and Pole,

I apologize for this briefest of responses but it is a school day. More no doubt later. I can't agree that this site has ever been a hookup site. TP shoots and artwork were cast towards a amateur perspective but only advertised on .com and delivered on TP. I do remember one or two brief forays into the then lively forum boards but I suspect my perspective wasn't exactly on center at the time. Not sure it is ever on center.

Pole says I should read the threads from the old days and I don't mind doing that but I still know that the personal ads are dying on the vine. If you're to take a look at the real world and the way that BT people hook up, It is definitely not happening on .com.

Happily, I don't have to ask anyone's advice about "eating a cunt" or "sucking a cock"... as there is a wealth of photo/video evidence online in addition to the alleged occasional slip and fall I may have made personally in pursuit of my own sexuality.

You know, It may seem silly now but the time for all of us to have a voice, to make a difference and secure our rights as human beings is now.

I am not really sure that gratuitous, mindless drivel with unintelligent threads is necessarily a bad thing. We are not recruiting but if we were then that platform would bring in a lot of lambs that would otherwise to the slaughter go.

I'm just not certain that you aren't already doing what you are meant to be doing.

Regards,
M
People post personal ads or hook up/sex ads and hook up for sex via this site, therefore it's a hook up site.

[tenni]

It seems to me that post 126 is circular logic /reasoning in an attempt to state that posting hook up posts makes this a bisexual website. Hook up posts are on a multitude of sex sites and not specifically bisexual. Too add to this is the false logic of the poster to justify their point.



Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.


Open
"You know, It may seem silly now but the time for all of us to have a voice, to make a difference and secure our rights as human beings is now.
I am not really sure that gratuitous, mindless drivel with unintelligent threads is necessarily a bad thing. We are not recruiting but if we were then that platform would bring in a lot of lambs that would otherwise to the slaughter go.
I'm just not certain that you aren't already doing what you are meant to be doing."

Well stated sir. Bisexuals are human beings deserving of human rights. Rather than post mindless drivel with unintelligent threads, would it not be better to be discussing what constitutes bisexual rights and how the need for these rights differ from monosexuals?

[pole_smoker]

It seems to me that post 126 is circular logic /reasoning in an attempt to state that posting hook up posts makes this a bisexual website. Hook up posts are on a multitude of sex sites and not specifically bisexual. Too add to this is the false logic of the poster to justify their point.



Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.


Nope. It's common sense, anyone can read posts here and see how it's a hook up site, amateur porn site, and bisexual sex site for adults, and you even have the owner/admins "Drew" or whoever he/she/they are saying how to write a good hook up personal ad, and how they like to swallow cum when they hook up with random guys.

[elmwood7]

If it was a hookup site I don't think these forum threads would be on here. They would serve no purpose. And if it is a hookup site Pole and as you've said numerous times you don't hookup, Why are you here?

[pole_smoker]

If it was a hookup site I don't think these forum threads would be on here. They would serve no purpose. And if it is a hookup site Pole and as you've said numerous times you don't hookup, Why are you here?
A lot of people are on this site just to hook up.

They don't post on the forums and just hook up with people.

I'm here to discuss bisexuality since my partner and I are bisexual and this is a better bisexual site than other ones I have belonged to over the years some of which are no longer around.

[tenni]

good point elmwood.
confusing contradictory reply?
behaviour on site does not match words.

However the thread questions whether this is a bisexual site and not one person's behaviour nor whether it is a hook up site or not. Hooking up is not a characteristic of just a bisexual site.

[pole_smoker]

good point elmwood.
confusing contradictory reply?
behaviour on site does not match words.

However the thread questions whether this is a bisexual site and not one person's behaviour nor whether it is a hook up site or not. Hooking up is not a characteristic of just a bisexual site.



Yeah the behaviour on this site does match words as people do hook up. Elian hooked up and was fuck buddies with void, and I'm sure other people have hooked up on here or post hook up ads as posts but they're just not that open about it. I saw another post where a man wrote how he hooked up with some random guy he met on here.

Tenni please, this is a hook up and sex site as pretty much all LGBT sites, or sites geared towards bisexual and gay men are, or even if people want to pretend they're not they become this way. Don't be naive...oh wait it's you and you love to live in a world of theory and not actual reality.

[elian]

I'm sorry. Your view of what it means to be bisexual seems to be very limited.

If by "hooking up" and "fuck buddies" you mean that I met and dated Void for three years, met his wife and family and they were some of the most hospitable, accepting and loving folks I ever knew - then yes, I suppose that is true.


Yeah the behaviour on this site does match words as people do hook up. Elian hooked up and was fuck buddies with void, and I'm sure other people have hooked up on here or post hook up ads as posts but they're just not that open about it. I saw another post where a man wrote how he hooked up with some random guy he met on here.

[tenni]

I'm sorry. Your view of what it means to be bisexual seems to be very limited..

Could it be due to not actually being a bisexual?

[pole_smoker]

Could it be due to not actually being a bisexual?
:rolleyes: There goes Tenni with his whole biphobia song and dance, and hatred yet again. :rolleyes:

Yet again Tenni opens up his mouth and spews biphobia and bigtory, uses the passive-aggressive tactic claiming that anyone he doesn't like is simply mistaken and they're not bisexual but are gay; but all this shows is that the bigot Tenni doesn't understand bisexuality or human sexuality at all.

[pole_smoker]

I'm sorry. Your view of what it means to be bisexual seems to be very limited.

If by "hooking up" and "fuck buddies" you mean that I met and dated Void for three years, met his wife and family and they were some of the most hospitable, accepting and loving folks I ever knew - then yes, I suppose that is true.
Nope my view of bisexuality is not limited. You may have eventually dated void; but at first you hooked up for sex.

If you were so close to void, and wound up dating then why aren't you both together anymore? Or why didn't you wind up moving in with him?

[charles-smythe]

Could it be due to not actually being a bisexual?..lets end this thread...yes its still a bi site...BUT...not the bi site you want...nothing else needs to be said...

[elian]

Unfortunately most of the folks on the site are not within my state or several hours away so it was a long distance relationship. He ended up moving six hours away. That was more than I was willing to drive and thought it better that I try to find someone local. I still have feelings for him because I think he may have been one of the first men who actually DID genuinely care and was not interested in simply hooking up. I learned a lot from spending time with him, his family was amazingly accepting..I still think of them as well but at this point I just don't have the energy to keep up a long distance relationship.

I would like to think we taught each other what it feels like to be loved and respected simply for being who you are. I don't know if I will ever find someone who is as kind and loving.

I don't really expect you to offer a compassionate response since at least as far as this site is concerned, you seem to want to use it to fulfil your fetishes. I am posting this reply to let void know that he is still loved, and for the benefit of others who might like to know that there is such a thing as loving, committed bisexual relationship.

Do you still want to insult my relationship now? Your friend Mr. smythe seems to be stretched kind of thin. If this type of thread bothers you, why don't you stick to posting on the fetish threads instead? There are plenty of folks who are willing to fantasize with you there.



If you were so close to void, and wound up dating then why aren't you both together anymore? Or why didn't you wind up moving in with him?

[pole_smoker]

Unfortunately most of the folks on the site are not within my state or several hours away so it was a long distance relationship. He ended up moving six hours away. That was more than I was willing to drive and thought it better that I try to find someone local. I still have feelings for him because I think he may have been one of the first men who actually DID genuinely care and was not interested in simply hooking up. I learned a lot from spending time with him, his family was amazingly accepting..I still think of them as well but at this point I just don't have the energy to keep up a long distance relationship.

I would like to think we taught each other what it feels like to be loved and respected simply for being who you are. I don't know if I will ever find someone who is as kind and loving.

I don't really expect you to offer a compassionate response since at least as far as this site is concerned, you seem to want to use it to fulfil your fetishes. I am posting this reply to let void know that he is still loved, and for the benefit of others who might like to know that there is such a thing as loving, committed bisexual relationship.

Do you still want to insult my relationship now? Your friend Mr. smythe seems to be stretched kind of thin. If this type of thread bothers you, why don't you stick to posting on the fetish threads instead? There are plenty of folks who are willing to fantasize with you there.
It sounds as though neither of you took the "relationship" seriously at all or wanted it to work out, and that's why it ended.

But void is severely mentally ill, is already married to some chick, and you can do a lot better than him...so I can see just why you both did end it even though a six hour drive is do-able (no pun), and it's not as though he moved across the country or to another country and I know many people who have had very long distance relationships where someone moved across the United States, or lived in another country and it still worked since both people took the relationship seriously.

A better question would be: Why were you so desperate that you got into a "relationship" with a severely mentally ill person that's already married, and let yourself get dragged into all of their issues and drama? Local men and women are easy enough to find, they're not going to be as severely mentally ill, and they'll take you and their relationship with you more seriously than void did. But people who are severely mentally ill like void are incapable of having an actual relationship with anyone and are completely one sided and highly toxic people who shouldn't be in a relationship with anyone. I feel bad for void's wife since she's married to him; but hey that's her choice to stay with someone that severely mentally ill and she's gotta have some major mental issues since she does this.

[elian]

If you had one fifth of the love we had for each other then maybe you would know, until then I suppose it will have to remain a mystery.

..and yes tenni, I still believe that it is a bisexual site, that is why the word "bisexual" is in the domain name.

[pole_smoker]

If you had one fifth of the love we had for each other then maybe you would know, until then I suppose it will have to remain a mystery.

..and yes tenni, I still believe that it is a bisexual site, that is why the word "bisexual" is in the domain name.
Why are you assuming I don't have any love? You don't even know me. My partner and I love each other, and I loved a few of my ex girlfriends and boyfriends, and I've had healthy relationships with both genders unlike people who get with a person like void who is severely mentally ill and incapable of loving anyone even his legally married wife.

It's not my fault you can't handle the truth.

"Relationships" with severely mentally ill people like void are one sided since these people are well...a total void, and that self-centered, and delusional/mentally ill. You're lucky that you got out from your "relationship" while you still could. Other people are not so lucky and you read about them all the time in news articles, or hear about them on the news.

It's funny that people are now claiming that this is not a hook up/bisexual sex site or never has been when you frequently have people who post threads like this: http://www.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?16705-Sex-anyone Or they post threads looking for hook ups/sex. I don't care that they do this but it's just funny that some people want to pretend that this site is above all that when it's not.

[elian]

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to tell my story. What makes you think I don't know the truth? ..and what makes you think that you know it better than any of us? Your experience is yours, my experience is mine, neither one is more "valid" than the other - they both just are.

Dude, I was flawed from the day I entered into this world, and I will be flawed on the day I leave. I am lucky I ever made it here to start with - when I was born my mother literally held me in the palm of her hand. If I had any idea how many people literally poured love into me, just so that I could survive, I would have never doubted my own worth growing up. I have witnessed just about every type of abuse you can think of and seen the toll it has taken on the people I love.

I made peace with the fact that I am not perfect, and I made peace with choosing to show love and compassion to another person who is worthy...something does not have to be perfect in order to be beautiful. We loved each other despite whatever flaws we have..that is being human..and probably the most truly powerful act another human being can perform. It is easy to be angry, to slam the door shut, much harder to forgive..much harder to trust.

I have had people love me just for my dick or what I could give them, I have had people rail against "faggots" and yet still want their dick sucked, and I have witnessed people who just couldn't understand.

You know this, there is more to life than sex - and until the day my access is revoked I will continue to advocate for people to be able to ask for help and receive help. I can do no less, because if I was not loved I wouldn't be here.

Hell yes, sex feels good - but people deserve to be loved for more than what is between their legs.

If you want to be honest and you have a true grievance to tell the world I am willing to listen - everyone else vents on here, why not you? I honestly wish you healing if you need it - suffering sucks.

I am sorry if you think people showing emotion is weakness - you know what - at times everyone is weak - and it's not shameful to ask for help - a little more of that and maybe we wouldn't have people blasting up the place all the time.

For years I lived in anger and spite, some good folks I loved passed away very suddenly and I realized that life is too short to be angry all the time. I will no longer apologize for loving people, life is just too short to worry about that.

[Annika L]

Elian, you have a bright and good soul. Certainly if you want to share your thoughts, do so...but you owe explanations to nobody, least of all poisonous individuals who delight in pressing your buttons. *hugs*

[pole_smoker]

Elian, you have a bright and good soul. Certainly if you want to share your thoughts, do so...but you owe explanations to nobody, least of all poisonous individuals who delight in pressing your buttons. *hugs*
I'm not pressing anyone's buttons, and I'm not poisonous. I'm simply telling Elian some cold hard facts he should already know, or have figured out by now when it comes to love, relationships, and just how it's not good to get with someone that's severely mentally ill and who is a lost soul/void of a person like void is.

[open2joy]

Yes, a hug would be nice. Looks like I missed a few days of intense personal exchanges that don't really address the question at hand. Not in any way to diminish the individual and meaningful quality of their arguments from both sides, I just would want to clear the air a little if I may with these few facts:

I have never hooked up on this site. Not by myself and not with my wife. Over the years we did get a few invites, and probably sent a few but... It is a national venue with a local audience, we never got past the flirtation stage. The best prospects are always hundreds of miles away and that's a long trip for supper and an egg croissant.

However, I am happy for Elian and all other members like him who have beaten the odds and managed to find a connection with our fellows. I think it is a rarity and should be celebrated.

Those of us who do linger here for something we could find much easier in the local adult bookstore, Grindr, Tindr and beyond. Well, we're not too terribly upset. the quiet ebb and flow of a frank and direct discussion about the issues we find challenging is worth the PG-Movie night version.

I also think that I am not the only one who has never hooked up on this alleged hook up site. Maybe the people who are wishing for a hook up the hardest, but can't follow through for their own reasons when the hook up possibility presents itself ... they take refuge in the real or imagined chains that bind them, casting ridicule on those few who suffer no such bondage or duty other than to themselves and their immediate offline commitments.

Look. A billion things can happen between all of us at any time. Hook ups can capture a small portion of that. Is that small portion really the reason any of us are here?

I am here because this is a bisexual site. I'm bi-sexual.

I'm not really sure I need any coaching in that department.

[elmwood7]

I don't think Pole should be calling anyone mentally ill. I doubt that your medically qualified to make that statement. Especially if you've never personally met them. In fact if we were to make assumptions based solely on post's and comments on this site we could even question your mental health. You claim to be on here to discuss issues of bisexuality yet mostly you just post polls about gloryholes, gangbangs, swallowing cum and such. Almost like your trying to live out your fantasies through other people. You also seem obsessed with bad mouthing people on here. Not sure why. Maybe it's about getting attention. Some people need that.

[tenni]

I don't think Pole should be calling anyone mentally ill. I doubt that your medically qualified to make that statement. Especially if you've never personally met them. In fact if we were to make assumptions based solely on post's and comments on this site we could even question your mental health. You claim to be on here to discuss issues of bisexuality yet mostly you just post polls about gloryholes, gangbangs, swallowing cum and such. Almost like your trying to live out your fantasies through other people. You also seem obsessed with bad mouthing people on here. Not sure why. Maybe it's about getting attention. Some people need that.

You are correct elmwood. Pole has violated rule 2 " Be polite. Flame the idea not the person." I believe that there is a huge difference between a porn site and a bisexual site. One is salacious merely for the purpose of titillation. One discusses and uses this forum to communicate aspects about bisexuality.

The heart and soul of this site has faded to a very dim wit light. In reality, two posters are keeping the posts flowing. Very old threads are revived by the same identical posters and the old threads frequently deal with surface veneer of sexual plumbing. When I read the thread or even glance at them that it is easy to tell that this is primarily a gay porn site, existing due to mainly two posters. A porn site is not what the purpose of this site has been. It doesn't even have the depth of such sites as Squirt. It is vulgar and crass. It does appear to be coming from an intended attempt to control. Such an obsession may be seen as a reflection of an unhealthy mind. As you point out elmwood, we are not medical people. Some of us do have some training in behavioural sciences. Some of the wiser minds have gone silent or left.

Anyone, want to begin a pool when this site will shut down? It is dead as a bisexual site or in a most positive way...the site has become disfunctional on life support and comatose in cum shots from mainly two posters.

[Rose2Me]

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Anyone, want to begin a pool when this site will shut down? It is dead as a bisexual site or in a most positive way...the site has become disfunctional on life support and comatose in cum shots from mainly two posters.

I agree, this site is ready to have the plug pulled. Such a shame. And I haven't found another that has what this site used to have- honest, casual, FRIENDLY, open dialogue about the issues that confront us on a daily basis. I miss the chat and my friends. And if I were to want a porn site, this would definitely be the last site I would go. It doesn't even do that well.

[pole_smoker]

I don't think Pole should be calling anyone mentally ill. I doubt that your medically qualified to make that statement. Especially if you've never personally met them. In fact if we were to make assumptions based solely on post's and comments on this site we could even question your mental health. You claim to be on here to discuss issues of bisexuality yet mostly you just post polls about gloryholes, gangbangs, swallowing cum and such. Almost like your trying to live out your fantasies through other people. You also seem obsessed with bad mouthing people on here. Not sure why. Maybe it's about getting attention. Some people need that.
:rolleyes: You have no idea what I do as a career, my qualifications, or my credentials.

What I post about are staples of bisexual sex even if some people want to deny it. I don't live out my fantasies through others since I already have fulfilled all of my fantasies before I met my partner/husband with women and men when I was single and dating people.

Void himself has frequently posted about how he is severely mentally ill.

[pole_smoker]

You are correct elmwood. Pole has violated rule 2 " Be polite. Flame the idea not the person." I believe that there is a huge difference between a porn site and a bisexual site. One is salacious merely for the purpose of titillation. One discusses and uses this forum to communicate aspects about bisexuality.

The heart and soul of this site has faded to a very dim wit light. In reality, two posters are keeping the posts flowing. Very old threads are revived by the same identical posters and the old threads frequently deal with surface veneer of sexual plumbing. When I read the thread or even glance at them that it is easy to tell that this is primarily a gay porn site, existing due to mainly two posters. A porn site is not what the purpose of this site has been. It doesn't even have the depth of such sites as Squirt. It is vulgar and crass. It does appear to be coming from an intended attempt to control. Such an obsession may be seen as a reflection of an unhealthy mind. As you point out elmwood, we are not medical people. Some of us do have some training in behavioural sciences. Some of the wiser minds have gone silent or left.

Anyone, want to begin a pool when this site will shut down? It is dead as a bisexual site or in a most positive way...the site has become disfunctional on life support and comatose in cum shots from mainly two posters.
Nobody here is obsessed except for control freaks like yourself who think they can become the morality/prude police of this site, and who find certain threads or topics distasteful to them yet click on the thread to open it and reply to it.

I am not violating rule #2 as void himself and Elian have both posted how they are mentally ill before.

This is a hook up, amateur porn site, and sex site for bisexual people. People are going to post pics of, write about, and look for...OMG sex. :rolleyes:

[vidguy]

Im still tryin why care whether its a bi site, porn site. If you dont like the content, build your own.

[pole_smoker]

Im still tryin why care whether its a bi site, porn site. If you dont like the content, build your own.
Exactly. The prudes and control freaks who complain about certain topics being discussed or posted, or nude pics that get posted on a porn/adult bisexual sex and hook up site have way too much time on their hands and are professional complainers, and it's very odd how they will see how a topic is about sex or contains pics of adults having sex and then go into the thread and complain when they knew fully well what the thread was about or what was going to be posted. :rolleyes:

[Annika L]

I'm not pressing anyone's buttons, and I'm not poisonous. I'm simply telling Elian some cold hard facts he should already know, or have figured out by now when it comes to love, relationships, and just how it's not good to get with someone that's severely mentally ill and who is a lost soul/void of a person like void is.

So very full of denial. I hope you're convincing yourself, because I strongly doubt you're convincing to anyone else (not that you care, I realize...but it would be a shame for all the denial to be going to complete waste...hmmm, I suppose if it's addressing your goals, then it's not complete waste :rolleyes:).

[pole_smoker]

So very full of denial. I hope you're convincing yourself, because I strongly doubt you're convincing to anyone else (not that you care, I realize...but it would be a shame for all the denial to be going to complete waste...hmmm, I suppose if it's addressing your goals, then it's not complete waste :rolleyes:).
What's your point? You don't even know me or who I am as a person. LMAO, keep your day job, and find something else to do...since you make a very poor armchair internet psychologist. :rolleyes:

What I wrote is true even if you want to deny it. It's best if people avoid having a one sided toxic "relationship" with someone that's highly severely mentally ill like void is.

[open2joy]

Troll Alert. Late... I know. Sorry but smoking doesn't seem to satisfy anyone.

[pole_smoker]

Troll Alert. Late... I know. Sorry but smoking doesn't seem to satisfy anyone.
Who are you again? You haven't been that active on this site despite being here for a decade. :rolleyes: So I doubt you even know who the people I'm posting about are, or the severe mental issues they have that they frequently post about.

Secondly, it's not trolling to repeat common sense and basic relationship advice to people who do not know these things, nor is is "trolling" to repeat the truth about people that they've said before like how both Elian and void have written about how they're mentally ill, and how void is severely mentally ill, while Elian has good days and bad days.

[elian]

No worries Annika, I am glad to have the opportunity to validate my experience in life and to let void know how much I love him (still do). I appreciate the fact that other people will listen, I think all people have a need and a desire to be heard - I think sometimes when that does not happen violent outbursts can start so it's actually more important than you might think.

Have a great weekend all.


Elian, you have a bright and good soul. Certainly if you want to share your thoughts, do so...but you owe explanations to nobody, least of all poisonous individuals who delight in pressing your buttons. *hugs*

[Annika L]

What's your point? You don't even know me or who I am as a person. LMAO, keep your day job, and find something else to do...since you make a very poor armchair internet psychologist. :rolleyes:

What I wrote is true even if you want to deny it. It's best if people avoid having a one sided toxic "relationship" with someone that's highly severely mentally ill like void is.

I think it's cute how you make inferences about me, or about Elian, or others, but deplore others for making inferences about you based on what you write here. Certainly I can't know anything about you other than what you post here. But you post plenty to provide ample evidence of toxicity...perhaps you just put that on here, and aren't that way in real life...but my comment was about you here. I also suspect that a person who has toxic online personas is not squeaky-clean in real life either. :rolleyes:

[pole_smoker]

I think it's cute how you make inferences about me, or about Elian, or others, but deplore others for making inferences about you based on what you write here. Certainly I can't know anything about you other than what you post here. But you post plenty to provide ample evidence of toxicity...perhaps you just put that on here, and aren't that way in real life...but my comment was about you here. I also suspect that a person who has toxic online personas is not squeaky-clean in real life either. :rolleyes:
I know myself better than some stranger(s) online do...even armchair internet psychologists like yourself. :rolleyes: Nope I'm not a toxic person at all.

Elian and void have been perhaps a bit too open about their own personal mental health issues, or void's psychosis issues when instead of bitching to strangers online about their own mental health issues they should be getting help for them.

Despite what you and other prudes, morality police, and people who don't want to admit that this is a sex, hook up, and amateur porn site for bisexual adults you don't control this site or what people post.

[tenni]

toxic Good word Annika.



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Some of us actually have degrees in psych. You do not need a degree in psych to tell when a site has gone toxic and dysfunctional.

hook up site?

There may be" hooking up" happening. It is rare that a poster places an overt attempt to get a hook up from the forum. In order for someone to claim that this is a hook up site, that person should have hooked up. Since the person constantly refers to be monogamous with his husband, this seems strange.

[pole_smoker]

toxic Good word Annika.



poisonous (https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1311&bih=490&q=define+poisonous&sa=X&ei=J5QhVdi3HsidgwTl0IG4CA&sqi=2&ved=0CB4Q_SowAA), virulent (https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1311&bih=490&q=define+virulent&sa=X&ei=J5QhVdi3HsidgwTl0IG4CA&sqi=2&ved=0CB8Q_SowAA), noxious (https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1311&bih=490&q=define+noxious&sa=X&ei=J5QhVdi3HsidgwTl0IG4CA&sqi=2&ved=0CCAQ_SowAA), deadly (https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1311&bih=490&q=define+deadly&sa=X&ei=J5QhVdi3HsidgwTl0IG4CA&sqi=2&ved=0CCEQ_SowAA), dangerous (https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1311&bih=490&q=define+dangerous&sa=X&ei=J5QhVdi3HsidgwTl0IG4CA&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ_SowAA), harmful (https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1311&bih=490&q=define+harmful&sa=X&ei=J5QhVdi3HsidgwTl0IG4CA&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQ_SowAA), injurious (https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1311&bih=490&q=define+injurious&sa=X&ei=J5QhVdi3HsidgwTl0IG4CA&sqi=2&ved=0CCQQ_SowAA), pernicious (https://www.google.ca/search?biw=1311&bih=490&q=define+pernicious&sa=X&ei=J5QhVdi3HsidgwTl0IG4CA&sqi=2&ved=0CCUQ_SowAA)



Some of us actually have degrees in psych. You do not need a degree in psych to tell when a site has gone toxic and dysfunctional.

hook up site?

There may be" hooking up" happening. It is rare that a poster places an overt attempt to get a hook up from the forum. In order for someone to claim that this is a hook up site, that person should have hooked up. Since the person constantly refers to be monogamous with his husband, this seems strange.


Yeah, and you are not a psychologist. Moving on, you'd have to be blind in order to not notice how people post sex ads/hook up ads here on this site both as threads, and as their profiles. But...this is a sex, hook up, and amateur porn site for bisexual adults.

As Charles said best:

.yes its still a bi site...BUT...not the bi site you want...nothing else needs to be said...

[elian]

So pole_smoker, I have to ask, what do you hope to gain from posting on the site?

[charles-smythe]

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...persona satisfaction?...

[Annika L]

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...persona satisfaction?...

LOL, love it!

[tenni]

pole gets "upset" when people tell him what he is or is not as Annika wrote.

He does not know anyone's qualifications but plays the denier.

I use to take some classes in deviant psych. Unofficially they called those courses "nuts and sluts". Pretty much fits here increasingly.... a nut with control issues creating toxic environment as to what is or is not the purpose of this site All from someone on the site less than a year...in this persona.

[pole_smoker]

pole gets "upset" when people tell him what he is or is not as Annika wrote.

He does not know anyone's qualifications but plays the denier.

I use to take some classes in deviant psych. Unofficially they called those courses "nuts and sluts". Pretty much fits here increasingly.... a nut with control issues creating toxic environment as to what is or is not the purpose of this site All from someone on the site less than a year...in this persona.
So you took a few classes, big deal. :rolleyes: That doesn't make you an expert, or make what you're claiming about myself and Charles true since you have your own agendas with control and create a toxic environment as you love to stalk/flame people on here, and are a troll in every definition of the word. ;)

[Coastocoast]

Many of us who have been here for a while remember when the site was a bisexual forum and enjoyed it. When Drew abandoned it in place it turned into what is currently is; a site where the posted rules are ignored, including personal flaming, multiple profiles talking to each other, personal ads in the forum and other problems. No it is not a bisexual site it is one that has outlived it purpose and should come down.

[Melody Dean]

Many of us who have been here for a while remember when the site was a bisexual forum and enjoyed it. When Drew abandoned it in place it turned into what is currently is; a site where the posted rules are ignored, including personal flaming, multiple profiles talking to each other, personal ads in the forum and other problems. No it is not a bisexual site it is one that has outlived it purpose and should come down.

I disagree that it should come down. We need moderation back.

[tommyswing]

This is still a bisexual site, the problem is it's no longer a quality site. maybe someone should buy it from Drew.

[Melody Dean]

This is still a bisexual site, the problem is it's no longer a quality site. maybe someone should buy it from Drew.

They'd have to be able to get a hold of him first.

[tenni]

Melody
This has never actually been a formally moderated siite like other sites are moderated. He posted that he hoped the site would be self regulating. By that I believe he meant that the voices of the majority would moderate the extremists. I think that spammers were removed rather quickly but not sure how that was done. I think that Drew relied on some members to report such spamming.

Drew began to put posters in a labelled " cooling off" about four or five years ago. (most believed that is was usually the same troll or a variation based on language and obsessions of circumcision and cheaters plus maybe one or two more) I think that he had previously banned some as well. Banned really became cooling off (with the poster never coming back) He said that labelling them and blocking them was better than removing their posts. That caused blank flow thoughts. He still removed their comments after using the "cooling off" if only a few posts were done. I think that he got tired of that though.

I agree that this is no longer a quality site about bisexuality. We are more than the type of porn threads that are started or brought back to the front page. The quality of comments has fallen and as such newcomers have no idea what this site was about.

It is interesting though how the posters who always had an interest in the more "raw" sexual practices have come forward. Previously, they were just one small voice and now that attitude dominates the site. Of course, the main troll keeps control on the threads but even he is moderating himself at times. Can not keep the pre tense up?

What I have not read on this thread is the "group" concept. There are all kinds of "special interests" groups. That seems to be the place for WS etc. rather than the main forum.

[elian]

I don't really care if people want to post that stuff, I just get tired of folks jumping down each other's "throats' all the time. That and a few of the threads got on my nerves because they glamorize something that is not glamorous.

[Annika L]

I disagree that it should come down. We need moderation back.

Melody, dear. We've never had moderation on this site. Drew has had a more hands-off approach to site management than any other site I've seen. I mean, yeah, if Drew was around, pole_smoker would have been a vague memory weeks if not months ago. But he'd just get another profile, and Drew has stated explicitly that he's fine with that.

Basically, I agree that we need moderation...not "moderation back". But since moderation is not going to be forthcoming, it feels like it would be kinder to let the site have a decisive death, rather than these weird throes it's gong through now.

[pole_smoker]

Melody, dear. We've never had moderation on this site. Drew has had a more hands-off approach to site management than any other site I've seen. I mean, yeah, if Drew was around, pole_smoker would have been a vague memory weeks if not months ago. But he'd just get another profile, and Drew has stated explicitly that he's fine with that.

Basically, I agree that we need moderation...not "moderation back". But since moderation is not going to be forthcoming, it feels like it would be kinder to let the site have a decisive death, rather than these weird throes it's gong through now.
News flash captain obvious and member of the sex negative prude patrol: You don't control this site, and this is not the bisexual adult/amateur porn and hook up site you want; but many other people are fine with this site.

Why continue to go to a sex, hook up, and amateur adult site for bisexual adults if you don't like it, or you clearly do not like bisexual adults posting, amateur porn pics, and writing about sex that we have or have had?

[elian]

Well, that was predictable, thing is - I just don't care.


I don't really care if people want to post that stuff, I just get tired of folks jumping down each other's "throats' all the time. That and a few of the threads got on my nerves because they glamorize something that is not glamorous.

[Annika L]

News flash captain obvious and member of the sex negative prude patrol: You don't control this site, and this is not the bisexual adult/amateur porn and hook up site you want; but many other people are fine with this site.

Why continue to go to a sex, hook up, and amateur adult site for bisexual adults if you don't like it, or you clearly do not like bisexual adults posting, amateur porn pics, and writing about sex that we have or have had?

Speaking of Captain Obvious, of course I don't control the site, nor would I particularly want to.

Why pretend that you know anything about what I like or don't like? (Other than, you, obviously.) Or what I want or don't want? As I've said before, you post assumptions about people, but seem to have an issue with others making assumptions about you. Do you consider yourself a fair armchair psychologist? ;)

[pole_smoker]

Speaking of Captain Obvious, of course I don't control the site, nor would I particularly want to.

Why pretend that you know anything about what I like or don't like? (Other than, you, obviously.) Or what I want or don't want? As I've said before, you post assumptions about people, but seem to have an issue with others making assumptions about you. Do you consider yourself a fair armchair psychologist? ;)
Whatever, you don't know me at all.

You're way too uptight. You need some dick instead of a strapon dildo.

[Jimcadams34]

Bisexual means being greedy, and I love hedonists. I'm a bisexual. I love to eat pussy while having something stuck in my butt. Even if it's a plug, a claw or a dick, I love it. I love to suck dick too and have my girl fuck me with a strap on. Or making me fuck her with the strap on stuck in my butt. Hmm, I have an idea with the porn cams (http://my-livesexcams.com)

[pole_smoker]

Bisexual means being greedy, and I love hedonists. I'm a bisexual. I love to eat pussy while having something stuck in my butt. Even if it's a plug, a claw or a dick, I love it. I love to suck dick too and have my girl fuck me with a strap on. Or making me fuck her with the strap on stuck in my butt. Hmm, I have an idea with the porn cams (http://my-livesexcams.com)
LOL a claw? really?

This quote makes me think of you:
"What I want to defend is the proposition that there is a whole body of experience within the existing promiscuity of faggots that (if accepted for the good that it is) is revolutionary …
"We need to be indiscriminate. No one should be denied love because they are old, ugly, fat, crippled, bruised, of the wrong race, color, creed, sex or country of origin. We need to copulate with anyone who requests our company; set aside all the false contraptions of being hard to get, unavailable—that is, costly on the capitalist market. We need to leave behind the whole mentality of measurement; it is a massive tool of social control. We all measure ourselves against some standard, find ourselves wanting, and feeling inferior, guilty, wrong, weak—in need of authority, direction, correction, ruling and enslavement."
— Charley Shively, “Indiscriminate Promiscuity as an Act of Revolution”, Gay Sunshine/Fag Rag (Joint Issue, Summer 1974).

[Olivia920601]

http://www.bi-sexualdating.com/