Joe the Plumber and other ramblings

[AFTER9]

Now that we're in the home stretch and Obama seems to be up by a touchdown or so what do y'all think? Myself I'm a third party voter who nevertheless leans toward Obama if I had to choose between the two. Last nights debate in turn amused,bored and frightened me. The one I was most impressed with was Bob Whatshisname the moderator.
One thought I had was there was alot of stretchs with reality in their statements
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/debate_fact_check;_ylt=Ak0jN0jlnOzoy0PmmWrCerJh24c A

As a foot note I've recieved a bill for work that my local "Joe the Plumber" has done. I'm not to worried about his taxs going up. :bigrin:

[12voltman59]

After watching the three debates and comparing and contrasting the two men who are poised to become our next president--forget the policy/ideological differences, levels of experience and al that----there is a very stark contrast between John McCain and Barak Obama----

To me--no surprise----Barak Obama comes across as the kind of president I want----calm, cool and colllected--an articulate person who can put together not just a coherent sentence here and there---but someone who maintains his cool confidence and intellectual capacities for as long as he needs too--WOW WHAT A CONCEPT---A PRESIDENT THAT CAN ACTUALLY TALK!!! AND THINKS THINGS THROUGH!!!

I hate to say it--but John McCain reminds me of the old men in my family----some of 'em ya love and some ya barely do---but they are family so ya put up with their irascible and cranky, old man natures---fine for being at the fourth of July annual family reunion where ya only see him every so once in awhile----but ya really would rather not have to deal with him all that much.

After eight years of having a president who had a less than stable personality----we don't need another cranky old white man again--we need some fresh blood.

It looks and feels like John McCain's time passed him by----he might have been a good president for the year 2000, but not the year 2008.

McCain really is of a generation that is waning and Obama is of the emerging and current generation--he is relevant and "gets things" about the current culture that the grumpy, old grandpa John just will never get--in fact--most of the way things are pisses off the old man!!

I say in regards to John McCain--a title of a recent (Excellent movie) comes to mind----

"No Country for Old Men"

McCain may continue to serve his nation in the Senate---but to be president NOW----NNNNNNNOOOOO WWWAAAYYYY!!

McCain is ready to ride off into the Arizona sunset---the new Sheriff has come to town girls and boys!!!

PS---I really had to question the manner, reasons and other related issues regarding John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his Veep running mate--the way it apparently came about----to my mind---and to many others thankfully---raise serious questions about the way John McCain makes critical decisions--it is not just me and the rest of my fellow evil, American hating/want America to fail liberals who feel this way---many top conservative/Republican Party stalwarts have come to the same conclusion and have made the same observation regarding John McCain.

[texasman6172003]

Hey Volty,I know i hardly ever say anything bout politics. And im not being a wise ass here either.I dont comment on political stuff cause mostly it just gives me a fucking headache,LOL. My question is would you feel the same way if the Democratic presidential candidate was just another old person as you put it,would you feel the same way? Like i said not bein a wise ass or a Bush fan or anything. Lord knows i voted for him,and regret it too this day. Just curios to hear your response..

[csrakate]

I am also someone who hesitates to jump in on a political forum, nor do I wish to make my personal choices public, but in regards to McCain and his personality, I have join in on the "grumpy curmudgeon" bandwagon. This isn't really about ageism as much as it is about attitude. While I praise McCain for his handling of the hecklers during one of his rallies, seldom have I felt "comfortable" with how he presents on camera. I could not bring myself to watch last night's debate as I felt it wouldn't be much different than the previous ones. During the first one, I simply could not accept McCain's demeanor nor his inability to face his opponent as he spoke. Despite constant urgings from the moderator to do so, he simply refused to face Obama and direct his comments directly at him. Instead he faced the cameras, leaving me to feel that had he done what was requested, he would become rattled and unable to deliver his message. His facial expressions that were shown on camera while Obama spoke showed him becoming agitated, almost to the point I feared he was going to blow up and yell. During the second debate, referring to Obama as "that one" while delivering his comments was condescending and sounded like a father scolding his son. It takes more than experience to lead...it takes the ability to listen, to weigh all sides of a situation, as well as the ability to get your point across without being condescending or judgmental. McCain's presence in the debates truly makes me think about who I would rather have handling intense negotiations regarding the good of our country.

As for Joe the plumber...not your "average Joe" and such a misrepresentation of the truth. Seems this "Joe" was worried about his ability to purchase a profitable business...not exactly the situation faced by the average "man on the street".

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

My one responce to Polly Ticks. I'm voting for Jeff Dunham's Peanut and nominating Maxine the Shoebox lady as his running Mate.

I'm Toni "Cat" Minx and I approved this here message all on my own... *Snicker* :tongue::cool::tong::bigrin:
Cat

[12voltman59]

Well--if the choice were between two old white men--then I would'nt have much of a choice now would I?? I'd have to make my selection between them.

I am just taking about the difference between Obama and McCain--hell my favorite candidate for the Dems early on was Joe Biden---and he may not be as old as McCain---but Biden does seem more vital than does McCain.

Actually what I am talking about here is not really so much the age of the person----it has more to do with the intangible meanings of "OLD" and "NEW."

Among the other Republican candidates---you had much younger and physically vital men than John McCain---but they still had an "old" way of conceptualizing the world.

For good or ill---Barak Obama does seem to represent a clear break in generations that we do get every so many years---and with this being one of those times----it seems like it is a good time to "pass the torch" to Barak Obama----with the nature of his multi-ethnic background being more representative of the way America really is now----the days of old, white men being the dominant force in the country is fading--like it or not--the demographic makeup of nation is changing and the day of the pure white man is gonna be gone with the wind--

I recently saw a documentary about a National Guard unit in New Jersey about how they were getting ready for something like their third or fourth deployment to Iraq---they followed the people and how this affects their lives--- the make up of the people who fill that unit--it had lots of people who had been immigrants---many from Mexico, Central and South America--you had white guys married to black women and black men married to white women----blacks married to Mexicans or some other "latin" nation--whites married to latins too--there were few pure ethic group to ethnic group matches.

The kids these folks have all look different--different shades of colors---but none were "lilly white."

So---as much as anything---that is why I say that John McCain represents the past--certainly not the present and sure as hell not the future of America----

Sooooo--Since we have a person like Barak Obama--who is a mix in terms of his biological origins--- is the face of the way the nation is fast becoming and is certainly going-----

Tiger Woods is another example--and we have many more--and more and more such people are coming---

So--back to that movie title---you can add to it--"No Country for Old, Purely White Men!!!"

Like it or not----that is the way the nation is going----we, "pure" old white guys are dodo birds--we just haven't totally gone extinct yet--but our time is passing if not already gone!!

That fact is probably why so many old white guys are so pissed off---they know their time is done.

[AFTER9]

Well strictly from the sidelines here with nothing invested emtionally at all in the Republican or Democratic Party. The way I see it is that the Republicans are getting desperate. They've got their bag of tricks out and none of them seem to be working.
DuringThe last administration, the republican Bush one has been a huge train wreck for me personally. I've lost a job, health insurance, ran up credit card debt paying for medical debts. Had credit card companies treat me in a very loan sharkish type way. Still I'm way better off than many many people. No huge mortgage, Ilive small with homesteading skills. Short of some total breakdown of society I'll be fine.
Being a hopeless tree hugger type who lives a down sized lifestyle I happen to support The Green Party. I don't believe in everything they stand for but particularly admire their ecological comittment and their single payer healthcare plan. Being that they don't run a candidate in every local and state race in the past I've split between the other partys.
If the republicans want any of my future vote I'll be watching how they handle the results of this election. I'm getting big time turned off by some of the ugliness I'm seeing. If I was a moderate Republican I'd be very alarmed with whats happening. One example is "vote fraud" Very few inelgible people only the super dumb or totally crazy ones would risk fraudently voting when the penalty is so stiff for absolutely no personal profit. Yet our state Republican party is screaming like this is widespread WHY? It doesn't make sense to me.And the Angry White Man act whats up with that? Y'all drove around with W stickers on your SUVs for 5 yrs or so.

[vittoria]

My one responce to Polly Ticks. Cat

Poli = "many"

Tics = "bloodsuckers"

[HighEnergy]

Well--if the choice were between two old white men--then I would'nt have much of a choice now would I?? I'd have to make my selection between them.

I am just taking about the difference between Obama and McCain--hell my favorite candidate for the Dems early on was Joe Biden---and he may not be as old as McCain---but Biden does seem more vital than does McCain.

Actually what I am talking about here is not really so much the age of the person----it has more to do with the intangible meanings of "OLD" and "NEW."

Among the other Republican candidates---you had much younger and physically vital men than John McCain---but they still had an "old" way of conceptualizing the world.

For good or ill---Barak Obama does seem to represent a clear break in generations that we do get every so many years---and with this being one of those times----it seems like it is a good time to "pass the torch" to Barak Obama----with the nature of his multi-ethnic background being more representative of the way America really is now----the days of old, white men being the dominant force in the country is fading--like it or not--the demographic makeup of nation is changing and the day of the pure white man is gonna be gone with the wind--

I recently saw a documentary about a National Guard unit in New Jersey about how they were getting ready for something like their third or fourth deployment to Iraq---they followed the people and how this affects their lives--- the make up of the people who fill that unit--it had lots of people who had been immigrants---many from Mexico, Central and South America--you had white guys married to black women and black men married to white women----blacks married to Mexicans or some other "latin" nation--whites married to latins too--there were few pure ethic group to ethnic group matches.

The kids these folks have all look different--different shades of colors---but none were "lilly white."

So---as much as anything---that is why I say that John McCain represents the past--certainly not the present and sure as hell not the future of America----

Sooooo--Since we have a person like Barak Obama--who is a mix in terms of his biological origins--- is the face of the way the nation is fast becoming and is certainly going-----

Tiger Woods is another example--and we have many more--and more and more such people are coming---

So--back to that movie title---you can add to it--"No Country for Old, Purely White Men!!!"

Like it or not----that is the way the nation is going----we, "pure" old white guys are dodo birds--we just haven't totally gone extinct yet--but our time is passing if not already gone!!

That fact is probably why so many old white guys are so pissed off---they know their time is done.

Volty dear, you need to wander down to Franklin/Carlisle. I moved up here from there after I suddenly was terrified at a school function. Now granted, two of my kids are blonde and blue eyed, and one brunette and green eyed, but I've never seen a totally white school before. There was not one black kid, not one Asian kid, not one Latino kid on the stage. We had just moved there and I had no idea there could be such a place and I moved right back out after 1 year.

I drove through there the other day and wasn't surprised to find nothing but McSame signs and a few VERY negative Obama signs.

Yes, most of the country might move on, but it'll be a LONG time before hick towns like Carlisle do!

[darkeyes]

Yes, most of the country might move on, but it'll be a LONG time before hick towns like Carlisle do!
OOOOo HE..mus b summat bout places called Carlisle.. wen me wos married nearest big town..well small city reely wos Carlise few miles on otha sida border..an a more borin less Fran friendly place yas neva been inya life.. clubs wernt worth goin 2..pubs wer dismal...cudn buy owt worth wearin.. peeps had no style an bout as excitin as the grave...wos awful..been bak 1ce since me divorce an it aint ne betta...

WARNIN... avoid places called Carlisle.. ya sanity deserves betta!!!

Apologies 2 ne Carlislers ifyas upset...soz jus how me found it..cant help how me feels...

[elian]

Volty dear, you need to wander down to Franklin/Carlisle. I moved up here from there after I suddenly was terrified at a school function. Now granted, two of my kids are blonde and blue eyed, and one brunette and green eyed, but I've never seen a totally white school before. There was not one black kid, not one Asian kid, not one Latino kid on the stage. We had just moved there and I had no idea there could be such a place and I moved right back out after 1 year.

I drove through there the other day and wasn't surprised to find nothing but McSame signs and a few VERY negative Obama signs.

Yes, most of the country might move on, but it'll be a LONG time before hick towns like Carlisle do!

I know where that is - funny thing for being such a so-called "conservative" area, every day you open the newspaper to the police reports section and hear about a robbery or theft or assault in that area...more so than the other towns around here.

It's sort of funny - the middle of that state is RED on the election maps when we go to bed - then Philly and Pittsburgh vote..and it turns BLUE in the morning. Really "aggravates" the folks in this general area.

/me <tries to blend in>

[darkeyes]

Further 2 me previous post bout the joys a Carlisle (Cumbria).. shudda mentioned a cute lil place called Langholm on the rite sida the border wich wos the absolute nearest town of ne kind 2 wer we lived.. pretty dull place reely but dus hav a brill lil music festival... an outsida the town is Europe's largest Buddhist monastary called the Samye-Ling.. luffly ther.. not fun zactly but ifyas inta chillin an a lil meditation its the place forya... an ifyas from ne wer called Carlise me highly recommends it.. wetha its Langholm or the Samye-Ling...both r more excitin an fun places 2 b...:tong: Certainly betta 2 look at....:tong:


Wots that?? off topic?? o well... slap hands... tee hee..

[nothings5d]

WOW WHAT A CONCEPT---A PRESIDENT THAT CAN ACTUALLY TALK!!! AND THINKS THINGS THROUGH!!!

Like I keep telling people, so long as the candidate doesn't have opinions on things that go WAY contrary to my own. I vote for the smartest candidate. Now I've only voted in 1 election before, too young before that, but Bush was the bottom rung candidate in my opinion. If it had been McCain vs Bush, I'd've voted for McCain, but Obama still seems to be smarter than McCain, so he's who I'm voting for.

Whenever I talk with my dad about what kind of president we need we both draw the same conclusion, so long as their a logical thinker they're good for the job. I may be prejudiced on this matter, but when it comes to looking for logical thinkers only one place to look keeps coming to mind. COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS. People trained to look at a situation, figure out what needs to be done to get the average customer, for politics read average citizen, what they want. Some may still screw it up, but for the most part they get it right. Legalese is just a programming language without any instructions on how to build the compiler.

[Bi-Zarro]

Links of the day:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/ (http://www.palinaspresident.us/)

and

http://headostate.com/home.htm

[hudson9]

It's sort of funny - the middle of that state is RED on the election maps when we go to bed - then Philly and Pittsburgh vote..and it turns BLUE in the morning. Really "aggravates" the folks in this general area.


I have a weekend house in PA (love the Big Apple, but I got to get out and de-compress...) -- PA has been described as Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with West Virginia in between!

But, now I hear that Obama & McCain are neck and neck in... West Virginia!!
:tong:

[elian]

"Pennsyltucky"

[darkeyes]

Like I keep telling people, so long as the candidate doesn't have opinions on things that go WAY contrary to my own. I vote for the smartest candidate. Now I've only voted in 1 election before, too young before that, but Bush was the bottom rung candidate in my opinion. If it had been McCain vs Bush, I'd've voted for McCain, but Obama still seems to be smarter than McCain, so he's who I'm voting for.

Whenever I talk with my dad about what kind of president we need we both draw the same conclusion, so long as their a logical thinker they're good for the job. I may be prejudiced on this matter, but when it comes to looking for logical thinkers only one place to look keeps coming to mind. COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS. People trained to look at a situation, figure out what needs to be done to get the average customer, for politics read average citizen, what they want. Some may still screw it up, but for the most part they get it right. Legalese is just a programming language without any instructions on how to build the compiler.

..assume ya mean the mos intelligent..not the smartest.. me brite an dress nice an all...don make me fit for runnin a country.. soz..bein facetious.. but am tryin 2 make a point...

Every1 has a level a intelligence...smartness ifya prefer.. Einstein wos arguably the smartest human bein who eva lived..or mayb Newton.. or mayb sum 1 else.. ther plenty candidates..dusn make em brite enuff or capable a runnin a country.. or even runnin a corner shop.. they wer brill in ther fields.. areas wer they had an interest..a passion..

If ther r 2 4 or 6 candidates for a job.. certainly an important political do ya vote for the smartest? Or do ya vote for the 1 who is closest 2 ya own beliefs an mos closely stands for much the same thing as u do?? Kno wer mine goes.. it goes wiv heart an mind.. cos wen it cums 2 how me c's how the world shud b..2 2 cant b seperated... peeps in ere kno me is an isealist wiv passions..think they also kno me knos the world is a rite dangerous messy place an it will b a long long time fore mmany a me ideals, if eva becum reality.. but they will neva get near becummin reality if me an peeps like me simply voted for "the smartest" candidate.. 'e..or she hasta hav moren intelligence.. 'e or she hasta hav ideals, passions an concerns an a vision wich me can identify wiv.. don vote for sum 1 jus cos they don upset me 2 much.. much 2 negative for me.. me votes for sum 1 positively..cos they r worth votin for an stand for summat me believes in..

Logic dus not necessarily cum 2 mind eitha.. every 1 has a diff idea a wots logical an wot aint.. do kno many believe me 2 b the mos illogical an daft person they kno.. wot works for computin sure as hell don necessary work for runnin a country..often ya havta step outa logic in the normally accepted sense a the word.. woteva that means.. jus as me don think lawyers r always te gr8est candidates cos ther stock in trade tends 2 restrict an hold bak imaginative law bein legislated for, not cos they don wanna do it jus they r hamstrung by ther trainin..peeps whose trainin an bakground is computin can b restricted by ther own "logic" an trainin.. jus as me not sure me wud b inspired by many lawyers, am bloody sure me mite hav difficulty bein inspired by a computer systems analyst.. they hav ther place both..an r valuable in ther own way... but ya need moren jus a groundin in computin law or ne otha field a human enterprise 2 run a country... ya need, or at least ya shud hav passion, compassion, belief, ideals, common sense, awareness, sincerity..

Ya don necessarily need 2 b an expert in ne thin much.. utilisin human resources mayb 2 ther best advantage.. an no ya don havta b a HR person eitha.. but gr8er intelligence an logic r no more relevant 2 runnin a country than they shud necessarily b obstacles... we all hav our strengths an weaknesses... Obama an McCain certainly do... becos 1 stumbles on an issue in a debate or discussion dus not make him less fit 2 run a nation than the rival who ansas wiv smooth an apparent ease... ya can sound brill .. but not run a country..ya can sound thik as 2 short planks an b positively inspirational in doin so...

Yep hun... ther more 2 castin ya vote than castin it for the "smartest" candidate..

[darkeyes]

Like I keep telling people, so long as the candidate doesn't have opinions on things that go WAY contrary to my own. I vote for the smartest candidate. Now I've only voted in 1 election before, too young before that, but Bush was the bottom rung candidate in my opinion. If it had been McCain vs Bush, I'd've voted for McCain, but Obama still seems to be smarter than McCain, so he's who I'm voting for.

Whenever I talk with my dad about what kind of president we need we both draw the same conclusion, so long as their a logical thinker they're good for the job. I may be prejudiced on this matter, but when it comes to looking for logical thinkers only one place to look keeps coming to mind. COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS. People trained to look at a situation, figure out what needs to be done to get the average customer, for politics read average citizen, what they want. Some may still screw it up, but for the most part they get it right. Legalese is just a programming language without any instructions on how to build the compiler.

..assume ya mean the mos intelligent..not the smartest.. me brite an dress nice an all...don make me fit for runnin a country.. soz..bein facetious.. but am tryin 2 make a point...

Every1 has a level a intelligence...smartness ifya prefer.. Einstein wos arguably the smartest human bein who eva lived..or mayb Newton.. or mayb sum 1 else.. ther plenty candidates..dusn make em brite enuff or capable a runnin a country.. or even runnin a corner shop.. they wer brill in ther fields.. areas wer they had an interest..a passion..

If ther r 2 4 or 6 candidates for a job.. certainly an important political do ya vote for the smartest? Or do ya vote for the 1 who is closest 2 ya own beliefs an mos closely stands for much the same thing as u do?? Kno wer mine goes.. it goes wiv heart an mind.. cos wen it cums 2 how me c's how the world shud b..2 2 cant b seperated... peeps in ere kno me is an isealist wiv passions..think they also kno me knos the world is a rite dangerous messy place an it will b a long long time fore mmany a me ideals, if eva becum reality.. but they will neva get near becummin reality if me an peeps like me simply voted for "the smartest" candidate.. 'e..or she hasta hav moren intelligence.. 'e or she hasta hav ideals, passions an concerns an a vision wich me can identify wiv.. don vote for sum 1 jus cos they don upset me 2 much.. much 2 negative for me.. me votes for sum 1 positively..cos they r worth votin for an stand for summat me believes in..

Logic dus not necessarily cum 2 mind eitha.. every 1 has a diff idea a wots logical an wot aint.. do kno many believe me 2 b the mos illogical an daft person they kno.. wot works for computin sure as hell don necessary work for runnin a country..often ya havta step outa logic in the normally accepted sense a the word.. woteva that means.. jus as me don think lawyers r always te gr8est candidates cos ther stock in trade tends 2 restrict an hold bak imaginative law bein legislated for, not cos they don wanna do it jus they r hamstrung by ther trainin..peeps whose trainin an bakground is computin can b restricted by ther own "logic" an trainin.. jus as me not sure me wud b inspired by many lawyers, am bloody sure me mite hav difficulty bein inspired by a computer systems analyst.. they hav ther place both..an r valuable in ther own way... but ya need moren jus a groundin in computin law or ne otha field a human enterprise 2 run a country... ya need, or at least ya shud hav passion, compassion, belief, ideals, common sense, awareness, sincerity..

Ya don necessarily need 2 b an expert in ne thin much.. utilisin human resources mayb 2 ther best advantage.. an no ya don havta b a HR person eitha.. but gr8er intelligence an logic r no more relevant 2 runnin a country than they shud necessarily b obstacles... we all hav our strengths an weaknesses... Obama an McCain certainly do... becos 1 stumbles on an issue in a debate or discussion dus not make him less fit 2 run a nation than the rival who ansas wiv smooth an apparent ease... ya can sound brill .. but not run a country..ya can sound thik as 2 short planks an b positively inspirational in doin so...

Yep hun... ther more 2 castin ya vote than castin it for the "smartest" candidate..

[darkeyes]

Like I keep telling people, so long as the candidate doesn't have opinions on things that go WAY contrary to my own. I vote for the smartest candidate. Now I've only voted in 1 election before, too young before that, but Bush was the bottom rung candidate in my opinion. If it had been McCain vs Bush, I'd've voted for McCain, but Obama still seems to be smarter than McCain, so he's who I'm voting for.

Whenever I talk with my dad about what kind of president we need we both draw the same conclusion, so long as their a logical thinker they're good for the job. I may be prejudiced on this matter, but when it comes to looking for logical thinkers only one place to look keeps coming to mind. COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS. People trained to look at a situation, figure out what needs to be done to get the average customer, for politics read average citizen, what they want. Some may still screw it up, but for the most part they get it right. Legalese is just a programming language without any instructions on how to build the compiler.

..assume ya mean the mos intelligent..not the smartest.. me brite an dress nice an all...don make me fit for runnin a country.. soz..bein facetious.. but am tryin 2 make a point...

Every1 has a level a intelligence...smartness ifya prefer.. Einstein wos arguably the smartest human bein who eva lived..or mayb Newton.. or mayb sum 1 else.. ther plenty candidates..dusn make em brite enuff or capable a runnin a country.. or even runnin a corner shop.. they wer brill in ther fields.. areas wer they had an interest..a passion..

If ther r 2 4 or 6 candidates for a job.. do ya vote for the smartest? Or do ya vote for the 1 who is closest 2 ya own beliefs an mos closely stands for much the same thing as u do?? Kno wer mine goes.. it goes wiv heart an mind.. cos wen it cums 2 how me c's how the world shud b..the 2 cant b seperated... peeps in ere kno me is an idealist wiv passions..think they also kno me knos the world is a rite dangerous messy place an it will b a long long time fore mmany a me ideals, if eva becum reality.. but they will neva get near becummin reality if me an peeps like me simply voted for "the smartest" candidate.. 'e..or she hasta hav moren intelligence.. 'e or she hasta hav ideals, passions an concerns an a vision wich me can identify wiv.. don vote for sum 1 jus cos they don upset me 2 much.. much 2 negative for me.. me votes for sum 1 positively..cos they r worth votin for an stand for summat me believes in..

Logic dus not necessarily cum 2 mind eitha.. every 1 has a diff idea a wots logical an wot aint.. do kno many believe me 2 b the mos illogical an daft person they kno.. wot works for computin sure as hell don necessary work for runnin a country..often ya havta step outa logic in the normally accepted sense a the word.. woteva that means.. jus as me don think lawyers r always te gr8est candidates cos ther stock in trade tends 2 restrict an hold bak imaginative law bein legislated for, not cos they don wanna do it jus they r hamstrung by ther trainin..peeps whose trainin an bakground is computin can b restricted by ther own "logic" an trainin.. jus as me not sure me wud b inspired by many lawyers, am bloody sure me mite hav difficulty bein inspired by a computer systems analyst.. they hav ther place both..an r valuable in ther own way... but ya need moren jus a groundin in computin law or ne otha field a human enterprise 2 run a country... ya need, or at least ya shud hav passion, compassion, belief, ideals, common sense, awareness, sincerity.. course ya can run the place on cynicism, selfishness, greed, privilege an every less than pleasant epithet ya wonna mention.. but don think ther many of us wont that.. 2 many tho.. an its the way a world...

Ya don necessarily need 2 b an expert in ne thin much.. utilisin human resources mayb 2 ther best advantage.. an no ya don havta b a HR person eitha.. but gr8er intelligence an logic r no more relevant 2 runnin a country than they shud necessarily b obstacles... we all hav our strengths an weaknesses... Obama an McCain certainly do... becos 1 stumbles on an issue in a debate or discussion dus not make him less fit 2 run a nation than the rival who ansas wiv smooth an apparent ease... ya can sound brill .. but not run a country..ya can sound thik as 2 short planks an b positively inspirational in doin so...

Yep hun... ther more 2 castin ya vote than castin it for the "smartest" or the mos "logical" candidate..ther certainly more 2 runnin a country than eitha a wot those words mean....

[12voltman59]

Well--it might be not be a surprise that many newspapers have written editorials supporting Barak Obama as president, but even the Chicago Tribune--which was founded in the 1800s---never has supported a Democrat in its history--has written an editorial saying Barak Obama is the best choice---

Papers supporting Barak Obama I have found:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-endorse19-2008oct19,0,5198206.story

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10741576

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/conservative-talk-radio-h_n_135684.html

With former Joint Chief of Staff General and former US Secretary of State Colin Powell scheduled to go on "Meet the Press" on NBC this coming Sunday--the talk is that Powell is going to express his support for Barak Obama--that woudl be---as the phrase of this election seems to be: "A Game Changer!"

For Barak to get the backing of Colin Powell would have to ease the fears that the McCain campaign and Republican National Committee are trying to raise about Barak Obama that he is some kind of "bad American," hangs with "terrorists" and a whole bunch more total BS!

Now we have this Congresswoman from Minnesota---who on Chris Matthew's "Hardball" show on MSNBC friday night that there basically needs to be another House UnAmerican Activites Committee formed (the commmitte from the McCarthy era that sought out "fifth columnists/reds!")

This woman says that basically, any and all of the Democratic and or "liberal" Congress members----are all unAmericans and want "America" to fail--I hope that she was just an overzealous mouthpiece for McCain and the Republicans---but I don't think she is alone in feeling that way--if this is the case--this is scary and unnerving.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/gop-rep-channels-mccarthy_n_135735.html

[hudson9]

This woman says that basically, any and all of the Democratic and or "liberal" Congress members----are all unAmericans and want "America" to fail--I hope that she was just an overzealous mouthpiece for McCain and the Republicans---but I don't think she is alone in feeling that way--if this is the case--this is scary and unnerving.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/gop-rep-channels-mccarthy_n_135735.html

With their backs to the wall, their true colors are (finally) really showing...

[AFTER9]

With their backs to the wall, their true colors are (finally) really showing...


Well at least they don't seem to be spying on my online activities:rolleyes:

Otherwise they wouldn't have made one of those stupid robocalls to me.Again if I was a moderate Republican I'd be alarmed at some of this stuff going on. I wasn't about for vote for McCain anyways but now harbor my doubts about voting for anyone from your party. (And yes I like my current state assemblyman who is republican) This call stated that it was from the McCain and Republican party, not some fringe special interest group.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/17-9

Another one was this mailing I got where they stated that Obama would rather party with Hollywood celebs than work on the economy. Although the republicans aren't the only ones doing this, the mailing specifically was insulting to my intelligence.

Not sure in either one of these appeals to me did they say why I should support them. Just trying to scare me away from their opponent.

[chulainn2]

I wonder if it really matters at this time in our country who really wins. Personally I dont like any of them. I can't stand Joe Bidon and like him so is McCain a lifer politician. Hmmmm term limits anyone? The only reason I like Sarah Palin is because she is not a DC clone, but then again, I don't want her that close to taking the Presidency if ol John's ticker decides to take a vacation.
But really at the end of the day, regardless who gets in office, their objectives are mandated; keep us out of a depression and get us out of war.
Anything else these puppets say they will do is rhetorical. For us older guys, they say anything to get the vote and we have heard it all before, and yes I mean Obama also, he is under the management of old Democrat command.
I suspect Pelosi has greater political pull and bigger balls than Obama and she is twice as mean.

[12voltman59]

Things continue to go south for John McCain---now his picking Sarah Palin--even among some very prominent Republicans seems to not to have been a good idea.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/18/the-palin-plunge-voters-s_n_135857.html

[gurlydon]

You socialists are all the same. Unable to think clearly. You [I]feel[I] intently. It's no way to choose people for Washington, D. C.

[elian]

Is funny - this morning on the news I heard McCain accuse Obama of wanting to "redistribute the wealth" - it has been a very long time since I have heard any prominent figure make an "anti-communist" appeal..I thought those died out after the cold war?

Not saying whether this is good or bad, but just what I heard between the lines. I can understand people not wanting the government to have a hand in "taking away" what they've worked for - but I also think it's a damn shame that so many people in this country work their fingers raw only to have to decide at the end of the month whether they need to spend their money on heat OR food but not both because they can only afford one of them.

[darkeyes]

You socialists are all the same. Unable to think clearly. You [I]feel[I] intently. It's no way to choose people for Washington, D. C.
Not quite o dim 1.. ifya put 100 socialists in a room ya wud get 100 opinions on ne given subject... thats 1 reason wy so far..we havn won.... in my country or ne 1 elses.. ther more socialist groups out ther than yas had hot dinnas... so suggest ya learn a lil more bout wot yas talkin bout fore ya talk ne more drivel...

.. an ther nowt rong in feelin intently..or intensely.. it shows peeps care, an hav a passion for summat betta than ya hav now....

.. the day socialists do sumhow unite is the day u an peeps like ya had betta start worryin... wy else dus the government, state an media hammer inta ya hed wot nasty girls an boys we r... an teach ya sod all bout wot socialism is an tellsya lots wot it isn... the day will cum wen they face 1 crisis 2 many an will finally b swept away in the flood a progress... an summat betta is put in its place...

[incox]

You socialists are all the same. Unable to think clearly. You [I]feel[I] intently. It's no way to choose people for Washington, D. C.

What?? A fellow hoosier doing the same thing old grumpy grandpa is doing?
That is calling names and trying to assasinate a person's character to win an election? The boogeyman cometh.... socialist, etc. etc.
Shame on you!
Another Hoosier.