When straight people suck

[Robinium]

Heya,

when did straight people suck in your everyday life? (no pun intended) Just wanted to be sure you would go to my thread, ha! :-D

Here's my story of today:

I was at a party, most people one generation elder than me and a live-band playing 60ies oldies. It was a great evening, very nice people, good music, I had a great time. The people became like 20 years young again when the right tune came up. They were amazing people, and an amazing atmosphere.

I have to add, I am 35 and sometimes even have trouble buying cigarettes as people suspect me to be less than 18. Most people there did not know how old I am. Usually I go out in the gay scene or hang around with friends, many of which are queer as hell, so I am not used to the general straight scene(s) and it is quite exotic for me.

A couple of things at that party were quite weird and puzzling for me.

First of all, many of the people there seem to have a chronically broken gaydar. Especially the males. At the people and places I meet otherwise, mostly queer, well the people there say I have a "flaming gay" body language, way of speaking etc. and I suppose that's true. That's fine with me, I am just me and don't care about it. However, on this evening, I was asked several times "if I have a girl-friend" and guys expecting me to comment on women. Well, I am single at the moment, so no girl-friend. And yes, I comment on women, anytime (it was not the bullshit macho type, but the "do you think this woman's hot" and "what kind of women to you like" type.)

When we were waiting for our taxis, I met a blonde woman in her mid 40ies. Tall, slim, beautiful face and styled up with make-up etc. I'm sure most of you on this platform would have tried to hit on her. I must have seen her at a pub a couple of weeks ago but could not remember as she looked a lot like many other women there (not THAT kind of pub, just regular). I was new at that bar and there were a lot of new people around that evening. Plus, it had been light at the bar and she talked to me again when it was very dark.

"What, you do not recognize me?"
"Er, no... I don't remember, sorry.
"Hm, we met at pub XY. Well if you really don't remember me, are you more into guys?"
"Er, more, yes" Not sure if I lied to her here. She looked insecure and I did not want to hurt her. I am pretty much 50/50 in my preferences altogether, but had swayed a bit more to the male side the last couple of weeks, so for the moment the comment was tue. I have been swaying to and fro anyway quite a few times in my life, but not much, 20% or so. Both romantic and sexual. Don't take the percentages too seriously, it's just to give you a clue. And an individual person can beat the "general rule" anyway.

"Oh, so it's okay for me, and I understand that you don't remember me, if you are into guys."

What on earth??? :confused:

I did not bother explaining to her that I am bi, and when it comes to women, not into tall slim styled-up blondes as her, but much more into small not styled-up chubby South-Europeans. So she was my anti-type anyway. I can go over looks if the personality is appealing to me, but we hardly had exchanged a word at the pub. Plus she had not been attracted to me, and so I had not memorized the encounter that well.

So that comment of her was f*cking weird. Plus, what does she think? That she's everybody's type? Er, no, she isn't. Somehow, she had needed a good explanation why I was not fond of her. Which made the "great personality option melt away for me anyway.

Beforehand, I had met her husband at the party, cute guy by the way. And he had asked me if I had noticed his wonderful and beautiful wife, "the one over there at the other table". No, I had not. And then he boasted about her and how great she looked. I told him I am more into chubby women and she was too slim for my taste and that was okay for him (everybody's got a different taste etc.).

Anyway, good looks may be good the first minutes you have sex, but after that, it's more how you interact with each other which is interesting. But that's just my opinion, and quickies don't work for me anyway so the time factor gets important.

I wonder if both will talk about me and come to the conclusion that I've lied to at least one of them (as bisexuality never comes to straight people's mind.) :bigrin:

And I neither like this guy behaving like he has a trophy more than a wife, nor the wife sounding like she is nothing without her looks. Never heard this happen in the male gay scene in such an extreme.

If my posting sounds somewhat immature for my age, well I have always been bi and still am, but I am a transguy and have been taking hormones and passing as a male for mostly 2 years. So it is quite new for me to experience the social aspect in general and of this bi-topic from the other side. (Me as a guy now.) Before, I went through all that crap from the female side and experienced other weird comments and actions from the straights, but not this kind of stuff. And as I said, I usually rather hang around with my friends who are often queer as well (or date queer people) so I am not that used to the straight scene(s).

Well it was just a very weird ending of a great evening for me... The weirdest about it was this trophy wife behavior, second-weirdest was this getting put either the straight or gay label again on you. Well, the last thing had happened before my transition so it was not surprising. But nasty to see it happen again. Well they don't know about me being a transguy there. It's interesting to kinda interesting to go through this "being bi in a straight surrounding" thing again, but this time from the other side.

[AsianDream]

when did straight people suck in your everyday life? (no pun intended) Just wanted to be sure you would go to my thread, ha! :-D

Never found any problem in Australia with STR8 people.

Back in HK - as far as my family and most of the prople I know are concerened - Gays don't (or rather shouldn't) exist. So to all intents and purposes - back there I am "Straight" - just have been studying too hard to find a wife yet!

I am intensly curious about your transition - it's not something I know anything about.

[elian]

When guys talk about sex it's usually in the context of "Did you see the set of X on THAT one?" - they feign actually describing what they feel in an attempt to appear more masculine to other guys. Typical behavior and although I'm not completely gay I find it hard to play along - if I find someone pleasing to the eye I'm just not the type of person to proclaim what a lovely piece of meat they are to the rest of the world loudly and publicly..some guys don't have a problem with it..guess I'm just weird.

The fact that the guy is proud of his wife, and that she expects to be treated that way is interesting - it takes all kinds of people in the world, that like all kinds of different things..maybe they get off on that sort of behavior.

The movie "A Beautiful Mind" used an analogy for John Nash's "Game Theory" that I found intriguing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5jrNoNNtrE

It got me thinking about Marylin Monroe and that sometimes the "hot blonde" is actually the loneliest person in the room - everyone likes her for her looks, but not necessarily what is underneath...at least that's my perception

[Biboz49]

...If my posting sounds somewhat immature for my age...

...it was just a very weird ending of a great evening for me... The weirdest about it was this trophy wife behavior, second-weirdest was this getting put either the straight or gay label again on you.

Your posting doesn't sound immature at all. It seems like you met a very superficial couple who believe everyone goes for looks only.

It's my opinion the gay/straight only label thing is probably normal for those who are older than 35 (I'm guessing in the 60's if they like 60's era music?). They probably are not familiar with the "bisexual" label. I'm 54 and wasn't aware of the term when I was teens and 20's age.

[Realist]

No matter who you are, or where you are in life.....when you step out of familiar surroundings, you will probably be confronted with alien ideas and attitudes.

It's good for us to move out of comfortable places to see how others live and think.

[tenni]

"However, on this evening, I was asked several times "if I have a girl-friend" and guys expecting me to comment on women. Well, I am single at the moment, so no girl-friend. And yes, I comment on women, anytime (it was not the bullshit macho type, but the "do you think this woman's hot" and "what kind of women to you like" type.)"

You've done something other than just go in the bar, order a drink and quietly mind your own business to make yourself stand out this way.

You mention at the end of your post that you are a transguy who is accustomed to being more in "Queer" environments than the environment that you placed yourself. If you pay attention to what Realist posted, is it possible that you were standing out as someone who is not a hetero man?

In "Queer" environments they are accepting you but not in more conservative "straight" environments. The woman may feel that you are not hitting on her like other hetero men normally do and yes be a little superficial insensitive in a bar fly way. The men sound like mentally, normal horny 20 year old hetero men friends. Such chat builds up their testoserone before they hit on a chic or just have fun getting hornier looking at the chics...lol Even if they were in their 50's after a few drinks they might react to you if you are making yourself visible with your behaviour or chatting them up. They may have seen something in you that didn't quite fit and were toying with you. Hetero men will do that to other men that they see as different but usually not total strangers unless the stranger is standing out in an irritating way. Were you grandstanding in some way? (pissing contest or words? going for the alpha male attention rights amongst strangers) They may have been ridiculing you in a traditional male manner to see your reaction. That is how it can be in a bar in a hetero man's world if you do not "fit".

As an aside story last week I was in a patio bar street where a lot of the pick up action happens later at night. A man pulled up in a red Ferrari and parked it awkwardly. A few minutes later, he came out and moved it as a motor cycle was leaving. A young man sitting a few tables over from me starting shouting "gun it" gun it". He said a few more words loudly in what was a challenge ridicule of the Ferrari owner. The Ferrari owner ignored him. I thought that the young guy had gone on a bit too long. I used my big mouth and said .."That's ok bud...everyone knows that you have a bigger dick than him." His buddy tried not to laugh out loud but snickered. A few younger guys sitting next to him laughed as quietly as they could. The young man shut right up. Never challenged me with counter words. Quietness returned for dinner. I was being a prick putting another bullshitter in his place..rather up front. The guys in the bar with you may have been using different tactics.

[Robinium]

When guys talk about sex it's usually in the context of "Did you see the set of X on THAT one?" - they feign actually describing what they feel in an attempt to appear more masculine to other guys. Typical behavior and although I'm not completely gay I find it hard to play along - if I find someone pleasing to the eye I'm just not the type of person to proclaim what a lovely piece of meat they are to the rest of the world loudly and publicly..some guys don't have a problem with it..guess I'm just weird.

Same with me, especially cause a "nice set of X" doesn't mean that having sex with that person would be fun and vice versa. Or that they are interesting people. There's this wise old German proverb: "If you want to f*ck, you need to be friendly."


The fact that the guy is proud of his wife, and that she expects to be treated that way is interesting - it takes all kinds of people in the world, that like all kinds of different things..maybe they get off on that sort of behavior.

I did not consider that possibility, just thought his statement was very superficial. But you might be right.

I loved the blonde analogy in "A Beautiful Mind".

[Robinium]

Your posting doesn't sound immature at all. It seems like you met a very superficial couple who believe everyone goes for looks only.

It's my opinion the gay/straight only label thing is probably normal for those who are older than 35 (I'm guessing in the 60's if they like 60's era music?). They probably are not familiar with the "bisexual" label. I'm 54 and wasn't aware of the term when I was teens and 20's age.

Yes, most people there were in their 60ies. The "weird couple" were in their 40ies though. I have never been before at a party with mostly 60ies people. They are very fun to hang out with I found out, plus the music is better. I'll surely go to 60ies parties again in the future.

[Robinium]

No matter who you are, or where you are in life.....when you step out of familiar surroundings, you will probably be confronted with alien ideas and attitudes.

It's good for us to move out of comfortable places to see how others live and think.

That's a very wise statement.

[Jessicaknight]

I guess it's different for everyone.

I led a gay life when I was young but always look str8.
I love women and the feminine body and now that I'm in my 40s I'm Bisexual.

Sexually I go for the Men.
But if I'm in the club or Bar that is mostly str8 and around my str8 friends,
I go with the "Macho loves women" role.
Just to fit in with the guys and make them a bit more comfortable being around me. Even though they know I like Guys.

Sometimes you have to play by their rules. That doesn't make you fake or closeted. It just expand your social life.

[Robinium]

You've done something other than just go in the bar, order a drink and quietly mind your own business to make yourself stand out this way.

Well it was not at a bar, but at a birthday party of a good friend of mine.


You mention at the end of your post that you are a transguy who is accustomed to being more in "Queer" environments than the environment that you placed yourself. If you pay attention to what Realist posted, is it possible that you were standing out as someone who is not a hetero man?

I think to some people yes and to some no.


In "Queer" environments they are accepting you but not in more conservative "straight" environments.

That may well be. Anyway, there's always been something mysterious with me in "straight" environments since I was a teen. I like to go there, and I don't like to not hang around in the same subcultures all the time anyway as it makes you narrow-minded. But then, the people I socialize most with in "straight" environments there and make friends and think, great having more varied people around me now. Well, after a couple of meetings, these people often surprise me by outing themselves to me as ... (fill in the gap with gay, bi "i feel more like a man than a woman" or vice versa, several of these at a time etc.). :bigrin: So I seem to instinctively pick out the queers and vice versa. Is it the same with other people here on the board?

The only straight friends I have are all foreigners, but then I am a foreigner myself.

Also, in straight environments, I always socialized easier with women, in non-straight environments, easier with guys. It does not really bother me but that's somewhat mysterious.


The woman may feel that you are not hitting on her like other hetero men normally do and yes be a little superficial insensitive in a bar fly way.
The men sound like mentally, normal horny 20 year old hetero men. Such chat builds up their testoserone before they hit on a chic or just have fun getting hornier looking at the chics...lol Even if they were in their 50's after a few drinks they might react to you if you are making yourself visible with your behaviour or chatting them up. They may have seen something in you that didn't quite fit and were toying with you. Hetero men will do that to other men that they see as different but usually not total strangers unless the stranger is standing out in an irritating way. Were you grandstanding in some way? They may have been ridiculing you in a traditional male manner to see your reaction. That is how it can be in a bar in a hetero man's world if you do not "fit".

I was not grandstanding, no. Really not. That would be ridiculous anyway with people in their 60ies, at that age you cannot fool people any more. Some of them I knew from before already, so we were not all complete strangers. But it did not seem to me that they ridiculed me on purpose or something. You may be right with not "fitting", however.

[tenni]

Remember that is what men do to other men. Frequently, it is done amongst male friends once they know the boundary of respect as a sign of male affection. A good put down (jokingly) given to a friend who knows that you do not mean it is an endearment. At other times it is a ridicule but not usually with a stranger. (I was really sticking my neck out and could have ended up in a physical fight...I just looked at the young guy and knew he was really a pussy cat joking ridicule) Ridicule amongst hetero men may be different in style and structure than gays..well it really is. Csimen have learned over many years how to use male language. Young boys use it and sometimes it comes out wrong and they upset their buddy without intent. It takes years to pick up the subtleties of how to use it and accept it. When to know that it is meant as a challenge. Read the arguments that happen on this site between men when they get heated. Ridicule is used in a certain manner. Sometimes, it is jokingly used and other times....

[Robinium]

Never found any problem in Australia with STR8 people.

Back in HK - as far as my family and most of the prople I know are concerened - Gays don't (or rather shouldn't) exist. So to all intents and purposes - back there I am "Straight" - just have been studying too hard to find a wife yet!

You make me think of one of my uncles. In his 70ies, he still had not "found the right woman" and still was officially "single". And everybody in the family was like "yeah, sure he's gay" and wondered who he was actually dating (if anyone at all). But no one ever talked to him about it. Maybe it will be like this for you as well.


I am intensly curious about your transition - it's not something I know anything about.

Apart from the "male in female body thing" aspect, here is how it goes:

You get on hormones. Then in every-day life you first look puzzingly like in-between male and female. Then, for a couple of years, usually like a teenage boy if you are younger than, say, 35 or 40. Finally you end up looking like a regular guy, but often 5-10 years younger than you are (or even younger!) and in many cases, your body language etc. is flaming gay.

Other than for many transwomen, passing as a guy in every-day life is an issue for almost no transguys after 1 or 2 years on testosterone. the almost only ones who have problems with passing are some of the Asian transmen. And many transguys look actually very cute though a few look just plain weird. However, your butt is often a bit larger than a regular guy's butt, and usually, it's a clear give-away when you put down your pants. Otherwise, no chance to tell a transguy from a regular guy, even other transguys can't.

The most usual surgery is getting rid of your breasts and getting a male chest. But there's also a few other things you can do including the extremely expensive and risky get-me-a-penis surgery which many people opt against. On hormones, the clitoris grows anyway.

Now if you date a person that is, say, 5 or 10 years older than you, you are often mistaken for mother and son, or in gay contexts, people's first thought is often that your boyfriend picked up some male teenage hustler from the street.



Here's some examples how transguys look like when they are in their 20ies to 70ies at "adult look stage", with links to other sites:
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TransMen.html

And here's how transguys look like when they are in their 20ies and 30ies, in various stages of transition, among others the "teenage boy" stage:
http://www.xxboys.net/profil_search.php

And as I know that some of you are curious to see more explicit pictures :bigrin:, here we go:

Photographs of both transguys and transwomen (enter and click on "photo gallery":
http://www.lorencameron.com/

And even more explicit pics can be found here (click on "enter site". Choose among these galleries: fluid fire, classics, genderqueer, selves and gender optional. There's other stuff in some of these galleries as well, not only transguys. Fluid fire is the most explicit gallery :
http://www.dellagracevolcano.com/

[sephirothtx]

im bad wiht social circles, if i dont have a friend or an area gluing me ot hte social cirlce, i go from grou of friends to group of friends, and of course, in the gut of texas, allot of htem are straight devout christian boys. I say boys because i almost never get shit from the straight girls (i always get shit from teh bisexual girls...odd)

while this has been leseening as i grow older and the people i hang out with become more maturer, and the GLBT groups (or LGBT, whatever) become a bit freeer, its still around

"biseuxals are just confused straight guys, or gays in the closet, there are no such things as bisexuals"

im not a violent man, thats because im a bit whimpy and would probably loose all the matches i ever fought, but these kind of statements make me wantto put a boot inbetween a pair of balls >:(

[Robinium]

im bad wiht social circles, if i dont have a friend or an area gluing me ot hte social cirlce, i go from grou of friends to group of friends, and of course, in the gut of texas, allot of htem are straight devout christian boys.

So Texas is quite conservative?

We have four very gay-friendly cities in Germany. One of the four is Munich because it is THE liberal oasis inmidst of the very very conservative Bavaria. (I have the chance to live in another of the four cities, which has a huge scene compared to its moderate size.)

So do you have a city in Texas which serves the function of our Munich?


i almost never get shit from the straight girls (i always get shit from teh bisexual girls...odd)

That's odd, how comes and what crap do the bi girls tell you?


"biseuxals are just confused straight guys, or gays in the closet, there are no such things as bisexuals"

im not a violent man, thats because im a bit whimpy and would probably loose all the matches i ever fought, but these kind of statements make me wantto put a boot inbetween a pair of balls >:(

Same goes for me. Sometimes it is worse being told you don't exist than being insulted for what you are.

[sephirothtx]

saying texas is concervative is like saying water is wet, as for what is the most liberal city in texas...possibly austin, but saying austin is liberal is like saying a sponge set out of the water for 3 minutes is... less wet, the only reason austin would be liberal is because it's the home of a normal colledge
i say normal colledge because we also have A&M in a little city called "colledge station" and thats more a college for concervative farm boys

lets put it this way, the whole gay bar rade epilogue we had here a year or so back, started in dallas texas, the majority of texans, pitching almost a 90% total, are Tea Partierers. Texas's goverment, including rick retard perry, are actuyally thinking of adopting the arizona immigration bill, and the only reason that a "vast majority" dosen't support it in texas citizenships is because almsot all the metroplists of texas are half/half on caucasian vs hispanic citizenship

[citystyleguy]

...as to whom sucks, that isn't limited to straights, but can be found in any social setting.

in so far as to your interaction with the couple, it is frequently the type of comment, and attitdue regarding the women in their lives, that so many straight men make about these women.

as to the attitude of the woman, many individuals make round-about statements of themselves, in order to obtain the sought after compliment; when not received, then the frequent response is to limit your perceptive ablities by a cutting remark, even to cast doubt, or proscribe limitations, as to your pov.

i dont ponder on them, but only move on to someone, or a group, that promise more interesting conversation, or other inteaction.

i dont give credence to generational identification, there are far too many people of interest at any age, that another cannot enjoy an alternative viewpoint, or differing social experience.

you have a strong personal ethos, and sexuality, to have any qualms from the described interaction. it will prove interesting in the future to read any more postings that you may develop.

[DuckiesDarling]

I'm straight and I suck... I swallow too :tong:

Now in response to the OP, it seems as if there were some misconceptions going on. You didn't want to hurt her feelings which is admirable but in the end sorry not my type might have been more what she wanted to hear.

She seized on the excuse that you were more into guys to make herself feel better obviously she was attracted to you and wanted to get a reaction whether or not she ever allowed you do anything about that reaction. Sorry but I'll let you in on a little secret.... Most women can be like that at one or more points in her life.

For the husband...I think I sense the pride of look what I have going into his comments about his wife. It doesn't matter if she was with him for nothing more than love, he is still proud she is there and even more proud that some guys find her attractive. It makes him feel like a bigger man that he has something other people want. That's the whole point of "trophy wives"

Thanks for those links, just from pictures there were only maybe five that I would have picked out as trans. It's eye opening.

[Robinium]

saying texas is concervative is like saying water is wet, as for what is the most liberal city in texas...possibly austin, but saying austin is liberal is like saying a sponge set out of the water for 3 minutes is... less wet, the only reason austin would be liberal is because it's the home of a normal colledge
i say normal colledge because we also have A&M in a little city called "colledge station" and thats more a college for concervative farm boys

lets put it this way, the whole gay bar rade epilogue we had here a year or so back, started in dallas texas, the majority of texans, pitching almost a 90% total, are Tea Partierers. Texas's goverment, including rick retard perry, are actuyally thinking of adopting the arizona immigration bill, and the only reason that a "vast majority" dosen't support it in texas citizenships is because almsot all the metroplists of texas are half/half on caucasian vs hispanic citizenship

Now I need some help from over the ocean...
What is A&M?
Tea Party that's a New Conservative movement, isn't it?
Gay bar rade? What? Police really raided gay bars? In 2009?
Rick "Retard" Perry is who?
Arizona immigration bill sounds like it's strict...

Wow I'm glad I live in Germany.

[Robinium]

[B][FONT="Arial Narrow"][SIZE="4"][COLOR="Olive"]...as to whom sucks, that isn't limited to straights, but can be found in any social setting.

Sure. But people are so creative when it comes to sucking in different ways. Plus in different social settings, certain kinds of sucking are more common or even absent altogether.


in so far as to your interaction with the couple, it is frequently the type of comment, and attitdue regarding the women in their lives, that so many straight men make about these women.

That's true.


i dont ponder on them, but only move on to someone, or a group, that promise more interesting conversation, or other inteaction.

Well we shared a taxi, so it saved me money and that was okay... ;)

[Robinium]

I'm straight and I suck... I swallow too :tong:

That's what I call a clear statement :bigrin:


Now in response to the OP, it seems as if there were some misconceptions going on. You didn't want to hurt her feelings which is admirable but in the end sorry not my type might have been more what she wanted to hear.

She seized on the excuse that you were more into guys to make herself feel better obviously she was attracted to you and wanted to get a reaction whether or not she ever allowed you do anything about that reaction. Sorry but I'll let you in on a little secret.... Most women can be like that at one or more points in her life.

Now that is eye-opening.


For the husband...I think I sense the pride of look what I have going into his comments about his wife. It doesn't matter if she was with him for nothing more than love, he is still proud she is there and even more proud that some guys find her attractive. It makes him feel like a bigger man that he has something other people want. That's the whole point of "trophy wives"

Well most people were very wealthy at the party, and there were quite a few "trophy wives", her included. These wifes were much more okay than I had thought before, but the whole trophy wife concept is kind of creepy for me however.


Thanks for those links, just from pictures there were only maybe five that I would have picked out as trans. It's eye opening.

You may have met one or several transguys in your life without noticing or even worked with one. Plus in the pictures there were all kinds of intermediate states / I don't go the whole way people as well.

[AsianDream]

The most usual surgery is getting rid of your breasts and getting a male chest. But there's also a few other things you can do including the extremely expensive and risky get-me-a-penis surgery which many people opt against. On hormones, the clitoris grows anyway.


If my question is too direct - please don't answer - but have you done the "get-me-a-penis surgery"?

What would I actually see and do if I made love with you?

Either a full/intermediate sized dick, large clitoris or standard size female would be great for me - with the only real drawback being your lack of interest in watersports :(

[Robinium]

If my question is too direct - please don't answer - but have you done the "get-me-a-penis surgery"?

What would I actually see and do if I made love with you?

The question's okay for me. No, I haven't, and you'd see a large clit.


Either a full/intermediate sized dick, large clitoris or standard size female would be great for me - with the only real drawback being your lack of interest in watersports :(

Okay, I guess you must really have turned bi. :bigrin:

[AsianDream]

The question's okay for me. No, I haven't, and you'd see a large clit.

Okay, I guess you must really have turned bi. :bigrin:

Yes I think I have :) and am enjoying it quite a lot. I think I'd like making love with you a lot if we ever met for real :) - except for the distance and my fetish thing :(

[Robinium]

Yes I think I have :) and am enjoying it quite a lot. I think I'd like making love with you a lot if we ever met for real :) - except for the distance and my fetish thing :(

Thanks, same with me. :bigrin:

[wrzwldo69]

thanks
this kind of posting almost (underlined) makes this site worthwhile (joke-settle down all hard core0
it transposes generational differences with gender identification values from the prospective of a defined and un-heard minority

re: the generational differences ( note male perspective)
As a male person with -normal- sensitivity *(being related to females, including children)
when we hear *males comment on other people physical features
(as opposed to keeping their thoughts to themselves)
which would be -normal manners-

we just experience the sense of an evolutionary progression that has not happened in a personal experience

normal manners - disregard - similar to a "public fart"

I think you should enjoy and reflect on the fact that both engaged with you conversationally - with the seeming (love that word) intent of developing things further

Go for the trophy wife and do the hubby as well!
You only live once

wudi
the best blonde joke I know is that i was thirty five before I knew the joke was about me
:male:





That's what I call a clear statement :bigrin:



Now that is eye-opening.



Well most people were very wealthy at the party, and there were quite a few "trophy wives", her included. These wifes were much more okay than I had thought before, but the whole trophy wife concept is kind of creepy for me however.



You may have met one or several transguys in your life without noticing or even worked with one. Plus in the pictures there were all kinds of intermediate states / I don't go the whole way people as well.

[ohbimale]

You met a superficial couple who go on looks. They come in all varietiwes of sexuality. It is best to just let them suck at life and live your life to the fullest. Treat your encounter as a learning experience and move on. Blessings.

[NakedInSeattle]

I just couldn't resist (I cqan resist anything but temptation).

When straight people suck, they ain't straight!

Sorry.

[_Joe_]

I like to think "People" sometimes suck, labels or not. You got bad seeds in every race, color, creed, orientation, taste, etc.

[CRAZMIN4EVERER]

IS THAT YOUR REAL PICTURE?.


Never found any problem in Australia with STR8 people.

Back in HK - as far as my family and most of the prople I know are concerened - Gays don't (or rather shouldn't) exist. So to all intents and purposes - back there I am "Straight" - just have been studying too hard to find a wife yet!

I am intensly curious about your transition - it's not something I know anything about.

[AsianDream]

IS THAT YOUR REAL PICTURE?.

Yes - but a couple of years out of date