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MarieDelta
Aug 11, 2010, 9:58 PM
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Daniel Radcliffe: Hi, J, how are you?
Our Lady J: I’m very well and you?
DR: I’m very, very well. I’ve just finished Potter properly yesterday.
OLJ: Did they let you keep the glasses?
DR: Yes! I’ve got two pairs from the seventh film and the pair I wore in the very, very first movie -- which are really tiny on my head now! So what have you been up to?
OLJ: I’ve been in L.A., finishing up my album. There are too many distractions in New York. The only thing to distract me in L.A. is the beach.
DR: I was just in L.A. for the first time in my life. I went for the premiere of the fifth [Harry Potter] film, but other than that, I’d never really gone there before. So I went for five days and did my first round of meetings and going to studios. It was very exciting.
OLJ: You just made your first trip to Hollywood?
DR: People seem to have a very bizarre perception of me -- that I’m a Hollywood actor. I don’t think of myself that way. And when I was out there and telling people it was pretty much my first trip, jaws just hit the floor. They were looking at me like I had two heads.
OLJ: So I wanted to clear up a couple of rumors, if we may. You are not actually Harry Potter, right?
DR: No, not really.
OLJ: And I’m not the transsexual incarnation of Narcissa Malfoy, right?
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DR: Or on set just before we start filming. I’ve always found music was just the most helpful thing in terms of getting into a scene, other than working myself up into a little bit of a frenzy.
OLJ: Well, aside from music, I have a Miss America question for you. When we met during the last big U.S. election, I was so excited to find out you’re passionate about politics. Have you been able to pay attention to politics in the last year, in between filming and training for Broadway?
DR: I’ve been trying to. Certainly, British politics have been fantastic. I’ve not been keeping up with America quite as much.
OLJ: I’ve paid a bit of attention to the politics of Nick Clegg [leader of the government’s coalition partner, the Liberal Democrats]. Are you a fan?
DR: I’m a very big fan. I’ve actually met him, and I have to say he’s a really, really good man. I don’t agree with everything he says, but of all the party leaders, he was the one I voted for. I thought he was a great speaker and very charismatic and very statesmanlike. And I’m glad that he is still in a prominent position in British politics because I think he could make a great contribution. He comes from absolutely the right place in terms of what his values are.
OLJ: Traveling the world, I’ve noticed that people are just so ecstatic that Obama is in office. And in the LGBTQ community, he’s making baby steps. But is there anything you would like to see for the LGBTQ community around the world, not just in the U.S. or the U.K.?
DR: Well, obviously, in general terms, yes. The world needs to become better educated, but I would defer to you slightly on that, J, because I would never profess to be an expert. What would be high on your priority list?
OLJ: Well, I was impressed that Obama declared June national LGBT month, because change begins with education. But he also extended benefits for same-sex partners of federal employees, which is a pretty big deal. And then the U.S. State Department has a new policy that allows transgender people to change the genders on their passport to match their identity, rather than their sex, which I’m completely relieved about. It’s a bit of a hassle when you go through an airport.
DR: That really does sound very important and vital to people who are making that transition, because otherwise you presumably, as you say, still have that moment in airports when you’re forced to offer a look of explanation or something, which is totally unnecessary.
OLJ: Exactly. A lot of people keep it light and make a joke of it just to get through. But there have been circumstances where it’s been a little bit more difficult than that. How about your involvement with the Trevor Project? How did that come about?
DR: My family and I have always thought it was best to focus our efforts rather than kind of spreading ourselves too thin across a lot of different organizations -- just really picking things that you care about and really, really believe in, and Trevor absolutely was one of them. And when I got to have a tour of the New York call center, my admiration for the projects, but also for the place and the people, tripled. The systems they have in place, the actual way the call center works on a practical level, is so brilliant and efficient. It’s something I’m very, very proud to be able to be involved with.
OLJ: My friend Kate Bornstein has a book called Hello, Cruel World: 101 Alternatives to Suicide For Teens, Freaks and Other Outlaws, and it’s comical but still a sincere way of preventing suicide among youth. Her philosophy is “Just stay alive.”
DR: That is a brilliant philosophy -- to just keep going. There was a great quote I heard the other day from Churchill: “When you’re going through hell, just keep going.” I just love it. Why stop?OLJ: Beautiful. I’ve been traveling the world a bit and getting to know other trans women, and something that they’re all surprised with regarding transgender people in America is that here, we mostly identify with the gay community because of the threat of violence toward us from within the straight community.
DR: [Gasps]
OLJ: In the world, I find -- generally -- many transsexuals are technically heterosexual women because gender and sexuality are different things. I wonder if we’re becoming more fluid in gender and sexuality as a whole?
DR: I think that with every generation, people become more open to those ideas and more aware and more educated. But it’s a really, really slow process. If you take any family with parents who are bringing their kids up in a narrow-minded way that includes homophobia, it will take a very profound moment of realization to change those deep-seated views.
OLJ: Do you think there’s a stigma with men who date transgender women, or is it just kept in the dark?
DR: I think to a certain extent, there would be a stigma -- it depends on which person you’re talking to. But I certainly think in this day and age it would be less of an issue. I was on the [Harry Potter] film set when all that tabloid stuff happened with us hanging out last year and none of my friends gave me shit about it. Nobody took the piss. And the film set encompasses groups from every area of society, and I have to say it’s a pretty good cross-section. There was certainly no stigma.
OLJ: The tabloid obsession is something that’s so new. Transgender people are a small portion of the population, but we don’t have a very strong voice right now. And I think people are surprised that we integrate with society just like everyone else does. We’re not just a cluster of people living on Mars, although sometimes I wish we were. [Laughs]
DR: There is a novelty factor, almost, with some people. I grew up in a world where I was aware of gay and transgender culture from a very young age, because I was brought up with a real mix of people around me. And people who have a huge, different range of experiences. But not everyone grows up in the same circumstances.
OLJ: That’s why you’re getting major points in tranny heaven for doing this interview, because it is exposure and it is important. Are we allowed to talk about your love life?
DR: Yes. It’s very uninteresting, but you’re more than welcome to.
OLJ: What’s happening?
DR: I was in a relationship with somebody for just about three years, and we broke up just shortly before we hit that mark. But [the breakup] was very amicable. At the moment, I’m just being single and running around chasing girls. [Laughs] I’m not getting too many responses, but, yes, I’m having a go. I’m also starting to go on dates for the first time. I’ve never really done it because all my girlfriends that I’ve ever met, I’ve met through work. So we got to know each other really well at work and then kind of ended up going out.
OLJ: What is it like to go on dates as Daniel Radcliffe?
DR: It’s quite nerve-racking because it’s not something I’m used to. Not that I struggle with talking, but I have this incredible anxiety about awkward silences and pauses and all that stuff, which I think everybody worries about. But I get quite wound up about that beforehand. I do actually manage to get quite chatty in the end -- probably too much -- and probably a bit boring. I just try to make girls laugh. That’s really the only thing I’m particularly good at on dates.
OLJ: Well that’ll give the ladies of New York City something to look forward to when you’re in town.
DR: [Laughs] I can’t pretend I haven’t thought about that a couple of times. I’ve already had people offering to set me up!
OLJ: Well, if you ever need any help, I have a few girlfriends.
DR: Oh, fantastic. You’ll have to introduce me.


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darkeyes
Aug 11, 2010, 10:21 PM
He may say the right things regarding gender and sexuality, but jeez Marie.. the daft little bugger likes and voted Nick Clegg and his tweedie weedies? Not so many tweedy weedie voters now cos they are deserting him in droves.. and his party aren't overjoyed either... they didn't vote for Clegg to get the shiny faced Brylcreme boy and his slick pricks.. but thats what they and we have got and Cleggie has the popularity in the UK that Genghis Khan had after he torched China and half of Asia... and deservedly so.. and it'll take more than a kid-on boy wizard of dubious acting ability to magic him out of the perilous predicament he is in.. worse.. we are in, in large part because of him..

I'm sorry to hijack the thread but it slapped me in the face as soon as I saw it.. now u can go on and iggie everything I've said.. I've had me lil rant.. its off me chest now... am off 2 me bed.. kissie:)

Pasadenacpl2
Aug 12, 2010, 3:32 PM
Great interview. Thanks Marie.

Fran illustrates one issue our community faces time and again. According to some people, if you don't vote exactly as they want you to, every time, then you can't be trusted and should be mocked. Sad, really.

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_Joe_
Aug 12, 2010, 5:02 PM
That's why I voted for the other guy. Always.

darkeyes
Aug 12, 2010, 5:21 PM
Great interview. Thanks Marie.

Fran illustrates one issue our community faces time and again. According to some people, if you don't vote exactly as they want you to, every time, then you can't be trusted and should be mocked. Sad, really.

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..and once again Pasa misunderstands why I say what I do.. with the boy wiz it isn't an issue of trust.. it is an issue of understanding.. and Radcliffe shows he doesnt understand.. with his m8 Clegg there is indeed an issue of trust.. thats why his party is very uneasy about its alliance with the Tories, and why the millions who voted for it in the election are bleeding back to Labour... the daft wee boy hasn't worked that out yet.. and if that's mockery..then I mock...

Pasadenacpl2
Aug 12, 2010, 11:21 PM
It doesn't show he doesn't understand. Maybe just maybe, he agrees with Kleg on more issues than he disagrees with him on. And Maybe, I know this is difficult to understand, our issues aren't the most important to him, even if he does agree with us.

You drew a conclusion about what he does/does not understand based upon him voting for someone you disagree with on a particular issue. It's a bullshit metric for judging people.

I agree with Obama on a few items. I disagree with him on far more. To say that, because I vote against him, I must be against every item on his agenda is ignorant. To say I must be an enemy, or that I just don't understand, is equally ignorant.

News flash: Most people are on the side of gay rights.
News flash: Most people care far more about jobs, economy, and a hundred other issues.
That doesn't mean most people are against gay rights.

The logic stream of 'you're with us or you're against us' is faulty, in the extreme.

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citystyleguy
Aug 13, 2010, 12:57 AM
It doesn't show he doesn't understand. Maybe just maybe, he agrees with Kleg on more issues than he disagrees with him on. And Maybe, I know this is difficult to understand, our issues aren't the most important to him, even if he does agree with us.

You drew a conclusion about what he does/does not understand based upon him voting for someone you disagree with on a particular issue. It's a bullshit metric for judging people.

I agree with Obama on a few items. I disagree with him on far more. To say that, because I vote against him, I must be against every item on his agenda is ignorant. To say I must be an enemy, or that I just don't understand, is equally ignorant.

News flash: Most people are on the side of gay rights.
News flash: Most people care far more about jobs, economy, and a hundred other issues.
That doesn't mean most people are against gay rights.

The logic stream of 'you're with us or you're against us' is faulty, in the extreme.

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...amen, to that!

as things are going here in the states, and in particular, with politics in my serene state of california, there is the desperate need to do away with the democrat/republican strangle hold that we have now. an amendment is needed that will grant a pluarlist political spectrum, instead of this penduleum swing of the winner-take-all nonsense.

darkeyes
Aug 13, 2010, 8:00 AM
It doesn't show he doesn't understand. Maybe just maybe, he agrees with Kleg on more issues than he disagrees with him on. And Maybe, I know this is difficult to understand, our issues aren't the most important to him, even if he does agree with us.

You drew a conclusion about what he does/does not understand based upon him voting for someone you disagree with on a particular issue. It's a bullshit metric for judging people.

I agree with Obama on a few items. I disagree with him on far more. To say that, because I vote against him, I must be against every item on his agenda is ignorant. To say I must be an enemy, or that I just don't understand, is equally ignorant.

News flash: Most people are on the side of gay rights.
News flash: Most people care far more about jobs, economy, and a hundred other issues.
That doesn't mean most people are against gay rights.

The logic stream of 'you're with us or you're against us' is faulty, in the extreme.

Pasa

Well, the science of politics and logic by Pasadena.. and still faulty.. and I agree wiith your 3 points.. I have not been talking about his support of gay rights in the least.. and I have news for you.. the logic of "with or against" is sound.. it does not mean I do not like, or loathe anyone, nor does it mean I would go to the wall because of it necessarily..it does mean on certain issues we think differently.. it means we will argue the point.. regarding his understanding of his countries politics I still say Radcliffe does not understand the gravity of what he has done.. he will not get the liberal policies for which he is supposed to be in favour, he will get policies against which his party has fought for generations.. there are already signs after just a few months this is happening, and Liberal Democrat voters, who believe in liberalism and hate conservatism, are showing their dislike of this trend by deserting Clegg and go in large numbers.. those within his party are no less dissatisfied and concerned.. they did NOT vote for conservatism.. a few wishy washy throw away offers to them on the voting system is not enough when what we and they are now getting is conservative policies on the economy, and on social issues.. that is what he doesn't understand.. unless you are right and he does.. in which case, he is just a bloody Tory anyway.. but somehow I don't think so...

Think what you like Pasa.. I'm not fussed.. but let me be clear.. trusting those with whom we disagree on an issue or a range of issues is a red herring, and there is little wrong with a little mockery when it is due..because I oppose a set of values, and/or the view or views of another human being does not mean necessarily I do not trust them.. it does mean I will oppose them till my breath is spent.. it does not mean I would silence them either.. argument about anything is what matters. and trying to convince our opponent and others of our cause or case.. mockery sometimes plays its part.. but a small part never to be overused.. the main thing is the strength of our argument and how convincing we can be..

I trust many people with whom I disagree on many things.. I trust my partner who disagrees with me on things from pacifism to the best way of disciplining our children or the colour scheme for our dining room.. I disagree with my father about my decision to leave the Labour Party.. I disagree with my best friend about Trostkyism and the need for peaceful as opposed to violent revolution.. I disagree with one of your countrymen, a friend resident here, about the way he earns and invests his money (legally before you ask), I disagree with my head of department at work about a range of issues to do with education, and I argue with them all.. but my dear, I have learned to trust them all, most of them in fact, and others, with my life and the lives of my kids.. so once again.. you know not of what you speak..

Pasadenacpl2
Aug 13, 2010, 10:18 PM
That may be true for you, in particular, Fran. But, time and time again we hear the same sentiment being spouted from people who are completely divisive. "He voted for X, he must be against gays." We get the same rhetoric out of people who are not able to disagree with their friends. And we get it in the exact same fashion as you originally presented it.

I value the way you have restated. BUT, my hope is that you, and others will stop saying such things altogether. Because as long as the chorus is singing the same tune, the effect is the same. It is another example of the gay community turning on people who might have been an ally down the road, or who at least weren't an enemy.

I'll be singing this song until the day I die, most likely. Until the gay community learns to be as tolerant as they wish the rest of the world was, it will remain as second class citizens.

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darkeyes
Aug 13, 2010, 10:49 PM
I am not restating anything Pasa.. I say things as I see them.. tolerance is my signature..I have breathed it and worked for it all of my adult life and for much of my adolescence.. but tolerance is never enough.. I dont want to be merely tolerated.. I want to be understood... I want to understand..I dont want to have an easy ride and say to the world.. listen to me I am the great Fran... all other Gods are liars.. I want them to say, just as you question.. why? Tell me... I want to and need to understand... justify... just as I struggle to understand them and their beliefs and opinions. I dont succeed with everything but I do try, and try with all my being.. I am incapable of understanding much of your rhetoric for example, and will be honest I hate so much of it, but I try to and struggle with understanding where you are coming from.. it is so alien to me, how I am and what I believe, why I believe...you and I are so far apart in thought, not simply politics, that at times I am not sure we come from the same planet never mind country.. yet I read what u say and do try and understand, however much I am unable to agree with so much of it... that I tolerate it goes without question... that you should be able to say it is your right and I will never argue with that right however much I hate it..and much I do hate and loathe of what you say..

One small part of Daniel Radcliffe's interview set my teeth on edge... with a few words he showed.. in my opinion at least, that he does not understand what he voted for, and the man he believes if such a wonderful messiah... he shows naivety..that was my point... not that I shouldnt be able to trust him or anything else... that he should further review and consider what Clegg has allowed to be unleashed on my country... trust doesnt enter the equation, but mockery can help make people listen to what comes after..

I havent restated anything, or at least I havent changed the context or meaning.. I may have lessened the emotion but every post I have written on this thread says the same thing...

Pasadenacpl2
Aug 13, 2010, 11:21 PM
Well, thanks for the clarification. You didn't restate as I thought you did.

And, I didn't see DR say that Clegg was any sort of messiah. You, once again, assign something to him that is not in evidence.

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MarieDelta
Aug 13, 2010, 11:34 PM
Tolerance is a good thing, something we should all strive for.

However, remember that your rights end where mine begin.

IOW I'm not going to roll over and let you walk all over me, either.

Further, tolerance does not mean allowing hypocrites to survive unscathed. If a politician is being a hypocrite, then I am going to name them so, no matter who they are.

Pasadenacpl2
Aug 14, 2010, 3:23 AM
Marie, I agree with your sentiments. But, in this situation, that's not what happened. DR said 'all the right things' but because he also likes Clegg he must not be on our side, according to Fran.

Attacking someone because they don't agree with you is not tolerance.

Attacking someone who does agree with you because they voted for someone you don't like is asinine and a good way to make them not agree with you any longer.

Last time I checked, DR isn't a politician, nor is he a hypocrite.

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darkeyes
Aug 14, 2010, 5:52 AM
Marie, I agree with your sentiments. But, in this situation, that's not what happened. DR said 'all the right things' but because he also likes Clegg he must not be on our side, according to Fran.

Attacking someone because they don't agree with you is not tolerance.

Attacking someone who does agree with you because they voted for someone you don't like is asinine and a good way to make them not agree with you any longer.

Last time I checked, DR isn't a politician, nor is he a hypocrite.

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I have never said a word about Radclifffe not being on our side because he likes Clegg.. I have merely questioned and criticised one aspect of the interview.. his opinion on the election held recently, its result and his views on one party leader.. I did not refer to any other view expressed regarding sex, gender sexuality.. nor did I have a go at him for being a hypocrite...

...and let me ask this of you.. if we do not like something..or someone.. do we shut up and crawl away and allow things to be? It is not intolerance to criticise the actions or opinions of anyone.. it IS intolerant to try to shut that person up and not allow him to speak.. do we live in democratic societies or not...? Every word we as human beings utter is open to scrutiny by others.. being not a politician, but a celebrity does not excuse Daniel Radcliffe from scrutiny and criticism any more than it does me..

I do think you really have to look up the word tolerance Pasa, dear..:)

darkeyes
Aug 14, 2010, 5:56 AM
Well, thanks for the clarification. You didn't restate as I thought you did.

And, I didn't see DR say that Clegg was any sort of messiah. You, once again, assign something to him that is not in evidence.

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You didn't? That is in part, exactly what I thought he was saying...