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Global Warming: The Other Side
Some real scientific studies.
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemans.../81583352.html
NASA has issued the following statement in response to the KUSI Special Report. This statement is from Dr. James Hansen, Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City:
"NASA has not been involved in any manipulation of climate data used in the annual GISS global temperature analysis. The analysis utilizes three independent data sources provided by other agencies. Quality control checks are regularly performed on that data. The analysis methodology as well as updates to the analysis are publicly available on our website. The agency is confident of the quality of this data and stands by previous scientifically based conclusions regarding global temperatures." (GISS temperature analysis website: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/)
This is some interesting stuff. A little lengthy, but interesting none the less.
Doggie :doggie:
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It's the severe weather that bothers me more than anything - storms and the like just seem more powerful in the last few years. One of my friends says that I should consider that we are saturated with a lot more information, more "connected" then we have been in the past.
To me, it really doesn't matter if global warming exists or not, I mean, why wouldn't you try to conserve resources anyway? I guess that's the difference between people who have had to do without something for a while and others.
I went on a 4 mile hike once and ran out of water, it was such an odd feeling to finally get to a place that had drinkable water and see a bunch of people at the state park just tossing it around like it doesn't mean anything.
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HornedUpRam
What about how the polar ice caps are melting like crazy?
Just part of the cycle the earth is going through. It's done it before and will do it again.
http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a
Doggie :doggie:
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elian
. . . . . . why wouldn't you try to conserve resources anyway? I guess that's the difference between people who have had to do without something for a while and others.
I agree elian - conserving resorces is just as important as conserving expendatures.
Doggie :doggie:
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elian
It's the severe weather that bothers me more than anything - storms and the like just seem more powerful in the last few years. One of my friends says that I should consider that we are saturated with a lot more information, more "connected" then we have been in the past.
To me, it really doesn't matter if global warming exists or not, I mean, why wouldn't you try to conserve resources anyway? I guess that's the difference between people who have had to do without something for a while and others.
I went on a 4 mile hike once and ran out of water, it was such an odd feeling to finally get to a place that had drinkable water and see a bunch of people at the state park just tossing it around like it doesn't mean anything.
Once, when I hiked through the mountains in New Hamshire, I allocated water based on filling up at a mountain spring on the trail. When, I arrived at the spring it was nothing more than a mudhole and no water for miles ahead. I made a hole in the mud with my boot and waited for it to fill with (muddy) water. Fortunately, I had disinfection tablets for just such an emergeny. It did not taste wonderful but it was one of the most satisfying drinks I ever had. I am not sure that I could have made it to the next available water.
The aspect of backpacking that always amazed me is how little is truely necessary for survival and how satisfying life can be with so little that we seem to need otherwise.
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Dogwood
Just part of the cycle the earth is going through. It's done it before and will do it again.
And what should we do with Mars? Word is, [from NASA, as well] the Mars ice caps have been melting along with the Earth's. Amazing how far the effects of pollution go.
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fredtyg
And what should we do with Mars? Word is, [from NASA, as well] the Mars ice caps have been melting along with the Earth's. Amazing how far the effects of pollution go.
I suggest you ask Al Gore that question.
Doggie :doggie:
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Dogwood
I suggest you ask Al Gore that question.
Doggie :doggie:
And what's happening on Venus?
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Venus in trouble?
Dag nab it, there goes my vacation trip. I go to Celestia Springs on Venus once a year. That water is some of the purest in three universes. We need to stop our terrifying sacrifices of virgin goats to Morpheus. Eventually, the Psyches will get the picture that we do not negotiate with terrorists.
In all seriousness, it's good to have another view of an important subject. At the same time I feel compelled to read and look it all over, I'd rather go hang myself nude in the barn. I keep returning to a commercial for an antidepressant medicine.
"Here's a listing of all the possibly fatal side effects you should address with your doctor ...."
I think, "gee, rather just be depressed that get killed from medicine to stop depression" or, "you know, if I wasn't depressed before hearing all these side effects ... I am now."
Sorry, the information about global warming, pro or con strikes me like that. It is really horrible news either way, does it matter to my cancer riddled body? Got the cancer from breathing good old clean air. It's all the same doom & gloom.
"I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired." Also don't want to be the guy that is too poor to realize being poor is killing me.
"Ben you ought to ..."
"What the fuck, you pay the bills? No? 'right then."
Get told to relax. Yeah, sure right. Every day brings D & G, no one gets out alive.
"Fuck it, laugh if they can't take a joke."
We all live to die. Thanks Howard Cosell for the play by commentary. I was doing it so I really ought to hear what I meant, huh? I heard the Man say boo. Don't need no monkeys telling me how many different ways there are to spell boo. But that's how it be, gonna and always will. You get called nuts for not paying attention or saying it all the same.
Oh well.
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today was by birthday, start livin people! before its too late see the sunrise.
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jamiehue
today was by birthday, start livin people! before its too late see the sunrise.
Happy birthday, sweetie. :) Hope you have a good Run Round Nakey day.
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jamiehue
today was by birthday, start livin people! before its too late see the sunrise.
Happy birfday fro me an all Jamie hun... 1 thing me allus dus..is live life 2 the full.. :bigrin:
..but at this tima year up 'ere.. seein sunrise is jus summat that is a tadge rare.. we c a lil dark lite through the grey mizzy gloom :(.... but will soon b spring... then we c the risin a the gr8 ball a fire propa..:bigrin:
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:bday: Happy Globa . . . . errrrr . . . . . . Birthday to ya Jamie :bdaygrin:
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Can't go runnin' 'round nakie in these parts right now----would get frostbite on some sensitive parts!!!
Spring isn't too far off though!!!!!!:bigrin:
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"Green" myths debunked: (I love learning new stuff!)
http://tinyurl.com/ye5ym97
interestingly, am including an example of the temps of our past "winter" here in Ontario (the white line is our "normal" temp):
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Peg, that small of a sample is worthless scientifically. I could pull 30 bisexual people out of this group and declare bisexuality more prevalent than heterosexuality, but it really proves nothing. I've skewed the sample.
Warming and cooling happens globally all the time every 1500 years. I prefer warmer because it means more days to get naked on the beach.:bigrin:
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This topic came up quite a while ago. Seems funny how the tone has changed. Good for you Fred. When I brought up the question regarding Mars, I was greeted with comments as if I were some kind of idiot, as if, what happens on Mars has no relevance on Earth. And do not take too much confidence in the comment of James Hanson. Many of his theories and conclusions have been debunked. The climate change we are experiencing is the natural cycle of the Earth. We little residence here can do very little to affect the climate, but we can effect ourselves. Conserving our resources is smart, and thrifty. and considerate of those coming after us.
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NASA have iterated their belief based on unbiased measurements and careful processing that the earth is heating up overall (regardless of routine emails of scientific self challenge in University of East Anglia).
There are periodicities in the earth's climate. However, according to previous trends we should have been heading towards another ice-age and clearly that is not happening
We are undoubtedly able to influence the environment - global dimming identifed during the 911 drop off in air travel; Ozone layer depletion is another aspect; Acidification of the oceans is yet another. It makes sense to try to limit the influence that mankind is having. Conservation of resources is simply a logical adjunct especially anything that buffers environmental changes.
The earth itself is in a quasi dynamic equilibrium. When regions heat up non uniformly then the equalisation mechanisms become more pronounced and greater periods of disturbance are felt - more droughts in places, more water in others, more powerful storms elsewhere.
The term quasi dyanmic was used because there is input from beyond the planet. One suspicion has been that the sun was altering its chemistry and increasing its output. Another suspicion has been that conversely the internal mechanisms of the sun have become quiescent for a while and are now retunring to a more usual state (indicated by sunspot activity). If this has coincided with increasing earth temperatures then a more pronounced effect is to be expected. Mars seemingly tracking earth's behaviour is troubling at the very least.
One aspect that no one seems keen on tackling is the sheer number of humans on the planet at this moment in time and projected for the future. Our normal usage of resources has exceeded the ability of the planet to replenish any of these within the space of a generation (roughly 20yrs).
It is not just about conserving - that just puts off the awful day of reckoning i.e there needs to be less of us. Problem that no one is facing is how to do this palatably. One wonders how sensible the situation surrounding people such as 'Octomom' is
Populations outgrowing their resources is a common feature in the biological world. This is followed by a population crash until either the conditions improve or some adaptation to the new norm takes place. Failure in both of these results in extinction.
This is the message in 'Soylent Green' (AKA 'More Room, More Room').
Compare this to the concept popular amongst economists and their requirment for expanding economies and increasing populations.
The UK is now the most densly populated region of the EU and unable to feed itself or supply all of its energy needs. Yet successive governments here say we need more people - hmmm!
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Have never doubted we are undergoing climate change.. like many I do question whether it is man made or natural, or a combination of the two.. I suspect a combination will be the culprit, but am no expert and it seems even experts aren't brilliant at being experts.. so what do I know? Things just seem to be happening too fast for it to be simply a natural cycle of the earth.. when was the last time the northern ice field didn't exist? Yet it is under serious threat now.. and Antarctica also seeing retreating ice an most glaciers retreat at an alarming rate....
An anti climate change friend of mine only yesterday poo poo'd climate change..man made or natural... citing this freezing cold and miserable winter, the worst in England in 30 years, and the worst north of the border in 50, as her proof that global warming and climate change are figments of our imagination. To her I answered simply don't look at one winter, or even one year.. look at trends..and trends over the last quarter century and more tell us that the planet has been warming.. if in another quarter century that trend has stopped or even gone into reverse, then possibly I will change my mind about the global warming aspect of climate change.. but climate has never been that stable on this planet.. relatively so in the last 10000 years because the planet has undergone a mild spell.. that may be changing and the planet is about to warm up considerably creating all sorts of problems for life on this earth.. I am not dealing in a certainty, but I do think that at present the evidence such as it is, flawed as it is, still points to a change in our climate.. please, don't anyone get too complacent.. one severe winter in the northern hemisphere does not tell us that climate change is not happening.. that is the way of weather.. and please... those of you who say we do nothing to contribute to global warming I urge you to be more cautious in that claim... 7000 billion people spewing out so much pollution has its effect ok... just how much is arguable but it is considerable.. I still believe that and until it is proved otherwise shall remain convinced of it.. don't anyone dismiss climate change or global warming..just as one swallow does not make a summer.. one bloody awful cold winter does not mean our planet's climate is not changing and warming..
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Curiously, the British Isles are forecast to be one of those areas in the world which will be come less stable and predicable in their climate. The winters will become colder and the summers hotter often outside the expected comfort zone.
This results from the instability of the course of the jet stream that guides the endless series of high and low pressure weather systems that traverse the region together with encroaching warm waters from the south and cold water melts from the north.
The current pattern is that of cold winds dragged in from the north / east meeting warmer moist air from the atlantic resulting in freezing rain / snow out of usual season. The temperature differentials result in very tight isobars indicating high winds often of storm force.
The background concern is if the Atlantic conveyor (Gulf stream) will become unstable as well, causing an overall cooling of the climate over the British Isles. Possibly fine in summer but likely promoting severe winters more in keeping with the latitude of the region.
What the hell - let's just skip and play and ignore it all and it might just go away.
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Well--I am no expert on this subject either--but one very telling big piece of evidence that has lead me to the conclusion "global warming is real"---right here in good old Ohio---sittting in a room sized walk in freezer inside a science lab at The Ohio State University in Columbus about an hour and half drive east of where I sit as I type this post---is an ever growing collection of ice core samples taken by an OSU researcher that he and his grad assistants have been collecting since the 1980s from ice fields from the top of the world to the bottom and all points in between.
In those ice cores---the good professor sampled those cores to find something interesting. Taking the data he and his team have generated from studying those cores--they have crunched that data in a set of Cray Super Computers and found the following---when they project line graphs of both the amount of "greenhouse gases" and global tempertures since the dawn of our industrialized society---the lines of global temps and greenhouse gases both rise in perfect synch with each other.
That seems like pretty compelling evidence I would have to say being a layman--but of course---his findings--in the way of good and true science---they have been replicated by other researchers around the world conducting the same sort of work. They have concluded there is most definitely a relationship with the amount of green house gases human activities puts in the atmosphere and rising atmospheric temps.
Reports of this kind did not make it into the reports you heard on places like FOX News and on shows like Rush Limbaugh, et al. They made a big deal about the crap that went on at Anglia University in the UK. No doubt that what did take place there was bad and wrong---but it does not mean that because someone "cooked the books" in that one instance then suddenly all research into global climate change was somehow irretreviably wrong and that "global warming is a massive hoax" as some would have us believe.
Climate researchers like the ones at OSU have also graphed the same sort of occurances from the distant past when there were incredibly massive releases of "greenhouse gases" with the effect then being that many parts of the earth were either frozen or roasting at the same time depending upon their location on the globe.
The thing is with the current rise in greenhouse gases and global temperatures---is that now we have the existence of humankind doing the sorts of things like driving road vehicles powered by internal combustion engines burning gasoline and diesel in their millions and we burn coal for our power.
In those previous times of massive increases in greenouse gases, they seemed to be caused by catastrophic events such as big asteroids hitting the planet or there were eruptions of "super volcanos" like the one they say that sits under Yellowstone Park.
If it erupted---our worrying about global warming would be a moot point---we would have much bigger fish to fry---same goes for a big time asteroid hitting us and wiping out most life on the planet!!
So---based on evidence like that which sit at OSU and elsewhere---my money is that global warming is real, that we humans have played a major role in creating the current conditions and we need to do something hard core to stop it---but we being human beings ao sadly we may be too stupid or stubborn to accept it and deal with it like we should!!! While many are working on the situation---many more seem to want to go with wishful thinking and putting their head in the proverbial sand on this issue---pretending it simply cannot be so.
What is funny with those who feel this way---the argument is that it would simply be too expensive to deal with global warming like some have said we need to do and that "it would change our way of life"---but the fact is---accepting that global warming is happening---it may not be total doomsday---but even our own US Department of Defense in one of its periodic "Defense Intelligence Estimates" released during the Bush Administration warned of major disruptions in the world from things like massive migrations of populations away from coastal areas of the world threatened by rising sea levels on one hand and wars being fought over ever decreasing water supplies on the other---so it could be a grim future thanks to global warming.
That particular "D.I.E." said that climate change poses a greater threat to world peace, stability and the world economy than does global, islamist based terrorism.
But I guess we don't have to really worry all about that global warming stuff--Fat Man Rush, Bill O'Lielly, Ann "Adams Apple" Coulter and the rest assure us that global warming is not real but just a figment of the demented imaginations of the liberalistas!!!!
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But I guess we don't have to really worry all about that global warming stuff--Fat Man Rush, Bill O'Lielly, Ann "Adams Apple" Coulter and the rest assure us that global warming is not real but just a figment of the demented imaginations of the liberalistas!!!!
Could we not use being transgender as an insult? Please just once?
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It's too bad they call it "Global Warming" because the correct terminology should be More Intense Weather. It's going to be like you turned up the blender another notch. Some places might get more snow. Some places might get a lot hotter and have droughts. If the Gulf Stream shuts down then the British Isles will have a climate like Norway.
I never have understood the right wing opposition to the belief in Climate Change. I can think of many political reasons to cut back on our oil consumption that should appeal to them. But in the long run, some people create their own realities and believe what they want to believe.
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Kali from Hindu mythology meets Alice in Wonderland.
I said to myself earlier tonight (when I saw the misogyny on bemyonlyone's thread), "I'll bet it won't be long before we hear the expression 'closet case'...and then will come the trans-bashing." And then voila! Lonewolf's thread and now this one!
I think I'm psychic.
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darkeyes
... 7000 billion people spewing out so much pollution has its effect ok...
Meant 2 say 7000 million.. if ther wer 7000 billion, British or 'merican billion.. don fancy our chances...:(
..wosn on the plonk..honest..;)
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Hephaestion
Curiously, the British Isles are forecast to be one of those areas in the world which will be come less stable and predicable in their climate. The winters will become colder and the summers hotter often outside the expected comfort zone.
This results from the instability of the course of the jet stream that guides the endless series of high and low pressure weather systems that traverse the region together with encroaching warm waters from the south and cold water melts from the north.
The current pattern is that of cold winds dragged in from the north / east meeting warmer moist air from the atlantic resulting in freezing rain / snow out of usual season. The temperature differentials result in very tight isobars indicating high winds often of storm force.
The background concern is if the Atlantic conveyor (Gulf stream) will become unstable as well, causing an overall cooling of the climate over the British Isles. Possibly fine in summer but likely promoting severe winters more in keeping with the latitude of the region.
What the hell - let's just skip and play and ignore it all and it might just go away.
We in deep doo doo if it switches off altogetha, Heph... wotched a documentary on telly last year an ther is evidence that the conveyor weakenin now cos of the meltin of the Arctic Ice wich feeds it.... an 1ce it stops..is evidently not very easy for it 2 switch back on... an meltin ice means less land for us 2 live on.. already sum low lyin' Pacific Islands r beginnin 2 drown.. Vanuata for instance.. so those who say peeps will hav 2 evacuate coastal areas r rite.. Sri Lanka has a particular problem here.. millions liv on a very low lyin coast an suffer dreadfully wiv sea levels as they r now at times.. an tides r risin'..that fact is undisputed...
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I'm waiting on the new Ice Age, truly I am. From my limited humble understanding of it all the world is like a greenhouse. It gets too hot it'll cool itself off. Last time was an Ice Age. What goes round comes round and all.
Besides the clamouring yak heads pronouncing it all there was recently an indicator I trust put out in the news. The S.A.S and S.B.S were training in Greenland ( I think it said) for cold weather search / rescue, combat situations. The good Mum usually has 'the lads' out for purpose.
Void goes back to his imagined beach. "Somebody bring the beer / ale / lager. I got a cask of rum. Oh darn, forget a tap." Void grins, watches the sun rise.